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I won't be getting one (R3), still more than happy with my 5D. I can't wait to see the actual specs though and I have a feeling, whilst it's already been announced, it will land very soon. It may be a camera for the future for me but I won't be rushing out for one.

What I may rush out for though is the much rumoured Canon R7, which has been rumoured for a while now.

What are the odds of Canon announcing 2 cameras on one day like they have a history of doing?
 
It's the size that puts me off it. Not really keen on artificially bloated bodies.
 
Mike.P said:
Just stick the 90D sensor in the R6 and charge around £1800, call it the R7 and I would buy it in an instant.
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I think that's a fair shout and could be what we get.


nandbytes said:
It's the size that puts me off it. Not really keen on artificially bloated bodies.
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I saw a video on it yesterday, it's smaller than a 1dx but still a chunky monkey.
 
Dale. said:
I saw a video on it yesterday, it's smaller than a 1dx but still a chunky monkey.
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a fair bit bigger than Sony A9ii/A1 though ;)
I cannot see many reasons for this body design. I get the feeling they are catering to the few professionals ignoring the rest of us hobbyists who would use such a body for everything where it'd make sense to have a smaller body.

I guess the sales figure will tell whats what at the end of the day.
 
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I've seen a couple of videos on the Canon R3, I like the design and feel it is aimed at the sports pro people. As for the 24 Mb sensor, don't see what all the fuss is about, there is an EOS R1 on the books which will no doubt have a larger sensor.

Looks like the R3 is a speed machine and aimed at the Nikon Z9 and one of the Sony's.

I am sure it will produce fab images...24Mb or not...
 
No issues here with 24mp, although more would be better. My M5 takes very nicely detailed images for an older (now) Canon 24mp sensor. For wildlife though, the extra cropability of more mp would be useful but even so, I think 30 is plenty. My 5d is 30.4 and that does the job, gives me cropability for wildlife and nice detailed landscapes. 24mp on an FF sensor should have lovely smooth light capturing capability.

The R3 body design seems very 1Dx ish, although smaller. Probably a subliminal ploy by Canon to present it as 'pro level', over and above the specs.

I had a feeling in my bones the R3 would land today, Thursday seems to be Canon's release day. It looks like September though.


It seems the APSC RF mount rumour is dying a death, will it ever come?
 
Mike.P said:
First thing I did when I got the A9 was look for something to make it bigger :D
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not sure I'd want to travel or hike with something bigger.
if I am only shoot sports/wildlife then sure it makes some sense.

also the point is both you and I have the option for making it bigger or having its smaller.
 
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Mike.P said:
Yup, it's still making money apparently.
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or not making enough to warrant updating it

Fuji GFX on the other hand have had several iterations and they are actually tying to reduce the size too.
 
Mike.P said:
Lol ... you REALLY don't like it when someone disagrees with you do you .... :D
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I am not the one that started the discussion, you replied to me.
I am simply being polite and replying back.

people can disagree with me all they want, doesn't mean i need to agree with them :P
 
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Mike.P said:
It's good that we have options.
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right that's exactly my point. I'd like to have the option of making my body bigger or keeping it smaller. With something like the R3 (and Z9) that isn't an option.
yes I can buy from a different brand and I have done but that isn't what we are talking about here though.
 
nandbytes said:
and how well is that 645z selling? ;)
not exactly breaking records is it....
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No - but no body that started at over £5k ever really did. Medium format is niche - and you'll find Sony A1's due to their price won't fly off the shelves - but they are an impressive camera and probably the choice if you need frame rate galore.

Photography is mostly an amateur pursuit- professionals make a tiny % of sales - and landscape photography is the most popular genre of amateur photography - so selling a low MP camera for a high price isn't a great move - so I doubt the R3 will fly off the shelves either - the Sony A1 offers the frame rate and the resolution - the A7R4 and medium format stuff the resolution and IQ you'd want as a landscape pro, or seriously fickle amateur which is really who buys these things. The birding guys all like crop ability - 24mp doesn't leave huge room for that, the 50mp A1 does.
 
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SFTPhotography said:
No - but no body that started at over £5k ever really did. Medium format is niche - and you'll find Sony A1's due to their price won't fly off the shelves - but they are an impressive camera and probably the choice if you need frame rate galore.

Photography is mostly an amateur pursuit- professionals make a tiny % of sales - and landscape photography is the most popular genre of amateur photography - so selling a low MP camera for a high price isn't a great move - so I doubt the R3 will fly off the shelves either - the Sony A1 offers the frame rate and the resolution - the A7R4 and medium format stuff the resolution and IQ you'd want as a landscape pro, or seriously fickle amateur.
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sure but my point was other over £5K bodies are selling better than pentax 645z inc. Fuji medium format ones most probably.
I do not feel there is a massive market for large bodies. As you rightly said landscape is popular and many of us have to travel to practice this. Carrying large gear isn't ideal for that or at least many people won't prefer it.

A camera will make more money if they sell it to more people (not groundbreaking economics! :D ).
And I think more people prefer a smaller body (I don't mean tiny like RX100 but like R5/6) with the option of adding a grip to make it larger. that's more versatile.

Sport's DSLRs needed to be as big as they are to house the larger battery to provide more power for driving the mirror quickly for high frame rates. now that is achieved all electronically you don't really need that large battery.
 
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nandbytes said:
sure but my point was other over £5K bodies are selling better than pentax 645z inc. Fuji medium format ones most probably.
I do not feel there is a massive market for large bodies. As you rightly said landscape is popular and many of us have to travel to practice this. Carrying large gear isn't ideal for that or at least many people won't prefer it.

A camera will make more money if they sell it to more people (not groundbreaking economics! :D ).
And I think more people prefer a smaller body (I don't mean tiny like RX100 but like R5/6) with the option of adding a grip to make it larger. that's more versatile.

Sport's DSLRs needed to be as big as they are to house the larger battery to provide more power for driving the mirror quickly for high frame rates. now that is achieved all electronically you don't really need that large battery.
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Fuji ones are newer - and the lenses are newer - driving sales. P645 is a very mature platform. Sadly Ricoh have the hands in too many pies so the newer lenses that the system should get, are on the backburner. The old lenses are decent - I have a few and it was a very cost effective way of putting a MF system together - and I like large. Really large. The stuff fits in the same camera bags I have so in all honesty it's as portable as my previous DSLR system and if I went mirrorless - I'd still use the same bags so it takes up the same amount of room.

I don't know the male:female ratio of camera purchases - but I'd wager it's more male if I went by the photographers I encounter out shooting. My workshops are a 50:50 pretty much - but out and about it's mainly men - who have bigger hands and some of which find the bigger bodies easier to handle. I found the smaller camera's smaller buttons, closer spacing etc an irritant - and the bigger bodies easier to use. Layout wise, the best mirrorless I saw was the Panasonic S1R - but that system really didn't take off - which I thought was a shame.

And bigger batteries are never bad - longer to charge up. The 645z can do 3 outings before needing go juice, the Nikon D810 could do 1. I am really enjoying this convenience of not having to carry spares or charge them up.
 
In recent times I've seen a few women carrying DSLR's and even a few mirrorless cameras too. I saw a woman with a Canon DSLR and a massive white lens a couple of weeks ago. That gives me a little more hope that the industry may survive and be more than Leica niche like.
 
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In recent times I've seen a few women carrying DSLR's and even a few mirrorless cameras too. I saw a woman with a Canon DSLR and a massive white lens a couple of weeks ago. That gives me a little more hope that the industry may survive and be more than Leica niche like.
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I had a female client turn up with a Phase One...that gave me the MF bug tbh.

Out in the field - you just see most people with the run of the mill full frame cameras - a mix of mirrorless and DSLR's. Nikon D850's and 5d MK IV's seem pretty common.
 
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SFTPhotography said:
I had a female client turn up with a Phase One...that gave me the MF bug tbh.

Out in the field - you just see most people with the run of the mill full frame cameras - a mix of mirrorless and DSLR's. Nikon D850's and 5d MK IV's seem pretty common.
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How many people do you see out with a Pentax ?

In the 22 years I have had a Pentax DSLR I have seen one other person ..... unpopular or niche ..... :)

Don't answer that @nandbytes :D

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Mike.P said:
How many people do you see out with a Pentax ?

In the 22 years I have had a Pentax DSLR I have seen one other person ..... unpopular or niche ..... :)

Don't answer that @nandbytes :D

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I know more people than you with pentax in that case.
In fact I have a pentax camera passed down from my dad (film camera though).

I have been tempted more times than once to buy one for various reasons.
in the end a-mount made more sense when I was shooting DSLRs and now mirrorless makes more sense (to me) instead of DSLRs.

I know Sony is second now after canon but when I started with them they were a very distant 3rd after Nikon. Popularity doesn't matter a huge lot to me personally but sales figures are important for a business. That is really all I was saying in relation to R3 or 645z is that size will reduce their sales.
 
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Mike.P said:
How many people do you see out with a Pentax ?

In the 22 years I have had a Pentax DSLR I have seen one other person ..... unpopular or niche ..... :)

Don't answer that @nandbytes :D

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My old man had a Pentax SLR - and a non photography mate bought a K1 for snaps and to use old K mount glass on.

How many times do you see a Lexus compared to a Mercedes. I've had both and Lexus trumps it every time.
 
nandbytes said:
Sport's DSLRs needed to be as big as they are to house the larger battery to provide more power for driving the mirror quickly for high frame rates. now that is achieved all electronically you don't really need that large battery.
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That’s disingenuous (no surprises), sports bodies also use extra power for improved focussing on large lenses, and for the faster processing required to save files quicker (to 2 cards).
 
Phil V said:
That’s disingenuous (no surprises), sports bodies also use extra power for improved focussing on large lenses, and for the faster processing required to save files quicker (to 2 cards).
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Sony A1 can focus at 30fps with large lenses. Does it pretty well too.
A9ii can do the same at 20fps.
Both have no blackout either in the viewfinder.
A1 can write to dual cards inc. in 8K video mode without overheating issues.

I don't see why a large body is required for either when it's already been proven that it's not.

You shouldn't believe everything the marketing department tells you ;)
 
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SFTPhotography said:
I had a female client turn up with a Phase One...that gave me the MF bug tbh.

Out in the field - you just see most people with the run of the mill full frame cameras - a mix of mirrorless and DSLR's. Nikon D850's and 5d MK IV's seem pretty common.
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I don't live in a touristy area so seeing other people with a camera is relatively rare. As per just about everywhere I suppose, most people use smartphones.
 
nandbytes said:
Sony A1 can focus at 30fps with large lenses. Does it pretty well too.
A9ii can do the same at 20fps.
Both have no blackout either in the viewfinder.
A1 can write to dual cards inc. in 8K video mode without overheating issues.

I don't see why a large body is required for either when it's already been proven that it's not.

You shouldn't believe everything the marketing department tells you ;)
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R5's have an issue of head build up. Quite a concerning one also.

Maybe the bigger R3 body has better head sinks as the usage pattern will be heavy duty for sports use. Bigger body = probably better thermal management. Also the users who'll use the R3 probably are used to the 1dx style body with the integrated vertical grips who'll appreciate this.
 
SFTPhotography said:
R5's have an issue of head build up. Quite a concerning one also.

Maybe the bigger R3 body has better head sinks as the usage pattern will be heavy duty for sports use. Bigger body = probably better thermal management.
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Bigger body should be logically better with thermal management. But considering Sony A1 and A7SIII can shoot without any overheating problems tells me this can solved in a smaller body especially considering both these bodies are already slightly smaller than R5/6. So a larger body for better heat dissipation is not strictly necessary imo.

SFTPhotography said:
Also the users who'll use the R3 probably are used to the 1dx style body with the integrated vertical grips who'll appreciate this.
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And that's the point I have been making all along.... R3 targets people currently using 1DX type bodies instead of the masses (like me).
I'd never buy R3 or 1DX but I have bought the A1. If A1 was made to be as big I think it would put off many enthusiasts and hobbyists thereby limiting their market.
 
nandbytes said:
Bigger body should be logically better with thermal management. But considering Sony A1 and A7SIII can shoot without any overheating problems tells me this can solved in a smaller body especially considering both these bodies are already slightly smaller than R5/6. So a larger body for better heat dissipation is not strictly necessary imo.


And that's the point I have been making all along.... R3 targets people currently using 1DX type bodies instead of the masses (like me).
I'd never buy R3 or 1DX but I have bought the A1. If A1 was made to be as big I think it would put off many enthusiasts and hobbyists thereby limiting their market.
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Would you have bought the R1 if it had been 24mp. That's my big issue - you can get the same frame rate with your camera and 50mp at the same time.

I wouldn't entertain a camera with under 50mp now. Well, maybe a 45mp at a squeeze.

You know my thoughts, I just prefer larger feeling cameras.
 
Dale. said:
Well, no announcement today, I half expected it, so I was wrong.

This showed up though, potentially the R1. I appreciate it's only on paper just now but I really hope Canon see sense and ditch the hole. Talk about 'out of the box'.

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I dunno - I quite like that. Certainly something to hold on to. Just please, ditch 24mp new bodies. It's not 2012 anymore.
 
SFTPhotography said:
Would you have bought the R1 if it had been 24mp. That's my big issue - you can get the same frame rate with your camera and 50mp at the same time.

I wouldn't entertain a camera with under 50mp now. Well, maybe a 45mp at a squeeze.

You know my thoughts, I just prefer larger feeling cameras.
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Possibly yes if it had good dynamic range at base ISO and wasn't huge.
But wouldn't buy it in the large DSLR form factor.
 
I am looking to buy the R3 because my 1DMk IV is beginning to show it’s age and it is by far the best camera I have ever owned. It is built like a brick and tough as nails which I hope the R3 will be. As for 24mp it is of no interest for me as my 1D has 16.1mp on a 1.3x sensor and I tend to crop my images quite heavily and the images look just fine.
From reading the comments above most are not sports shooters so it seems the R3 is not for you but for me who predominantly shoots sport and occasional wildlife it will be a giant leap switching to mirrorless and although it is a massive investment my 1D MK IV has served me well in the decade I have owned it, hopefully the R3 will do the same.
 
1dmouse said:
From reading the comments above most are not sports shooters so it seems the R3 is not for you but for me who predominantly shoots sport and occasional wildlife
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I shoot mainly wildlife and find the Sony A9 (24mp) quite limiting as even with 600mm I normally need to crop heavily, I imagine for sports the 24mp would be more than capable though.
 
nandbytes said:
I don't see why a large body is required for either when it's already been proven that it's not.

You shouldn't believe everything the marketing department tells you ;)
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I hadn’t realised that straight up physics (bigger battery = more power) was dreamt up by marketing.
I’ll hang my head in shame.
 
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