Canon 5dsr vs 7d mii

[soupdragon]

I know this sounds daft but. if you were locked into the EF system and had to make a choice, which would you keep?
Yes, obviously it depends on ones personal style of photography and preferred subject but, for the sake of argument, I'm talking general purpose, amateur walk around stuff.


I wish I knew how to star a poll as that may be of more use to me.

 

[cuthbert]

I'd rather have full frame over crop, all the focal lengths behave as you think they do on full frame and generally there are a lot of options for full frame EF lens combinations that cover the walkabout 16-70mm focal lengths that are excellent.

I think the problem you have is the 5dsr - is quite a specialist camera that isn't really designed for walk around stuff - so what would I do? sell both and get a Canon EOS 5D MK4, can pick them up very reasonably used, are an absolute workhorse and have an incredible sensor.

And, if you're feeling brave, get a Canon EOS R instead, with the EF adaptor, same sensor as the 5DMK4 (which is still amazing), but you gain better autofocus.

 

[Phil V]

I'd rather have full frame over crop, all the focal lengths behave as you think they do on full frame

I’ll never understand this.
There’s a full set of lenses available for any size sensor you choose to shoot with, we shouldn’t be concerned with FF being ‘normal’ any more.

I then misread and thought you’d got an R7.

So…

 

[cuthbert]

I’ll never understand this.
There’s a full set of lenses available for any size sensor you choose to shoot with, we shouldn’t be concerned with FF being ‘normal’ any more.

I then misread and thought you’d got an R7.

So…

Of course that’s true but canon ef-s lenses have always been pretty underwhelming and compromised for the budget market really, and aside from one or two gems in that walk around focal range, full frame just gives you a great deal more options. Unless I needed reach, nothing really draws me to crop on canon ef, or even rf for that matter. If I wanted a smaller crop camera option, I’d go with Fuji every time.

 

[LongLensPhotography]

Something like r6 is far better suited for amateur use. You really need a purpose, 100% tripod and exceptional lenses to make use of 5dsr resolution

 

[Phil V]

Of course that’s true but canon ef-s lenses have always been pretty underwhelming and compromised for the budget market really, and aside from one or two gems in that walk around focal range, full frame just gives you a great deal more options. Unless I needed reach, nothing really draws me to crop on canon ef, or even rf for that matter. If I wanted a smaller crop camera option, I’d go with Fuji every time.

The 17-55 2.8 was as good as any lens I’ve ever owned, not amazing, but a true workhorse I used for years.
The UWA’s were usable (not quite the same standard - but not really my thing either) and on a budget the later 55-250 was ok.
But when used seriously it was the 17-55 and a 70-200 combo that were a great working combo

Starting from scratch I wouldn’t go there now, but that doesn’t make them bad.

 

[Phil V]

Something like r6 is far better suited for amateur use. You really need a purpose, 100% tripod and exceptional lenses to make use of 5dsr resolution

I’d agree with this, if it’s within your financial grasp, the R6 is a fantastic all rounder and you can get a decent used one for not a load of money.

 

[soupdragon]

I'd rather have full frame over crop, all the focal lengths behave as you think they do on full frame and generally there are a lot of options for full frame EF lens combinations that cover the walkabout 16-70mm focal lengths that are excellent.

I think the problem you have is the 5dsr - is quite a specialist camera that isn't really designed for walk around stuff - so what would I do? sell both and get a Canon EOS 5D MK4, can pick them up very reasonably used, are an absolute workhorse and have an incredible sensor.

And, if you're feeling brave, get a Canon EOS R instead, with the EF adaptor, same sensor as the 5DMK4 (which is still amazing), but you gain better autofocus.

I was musing the 5DIV but it sits in middle ground if you know what I mean?

 

[soupdragon]

Something like r6 is far better suited for amateur use. You really need a purpose, 100% tripod and exceptional lenses to make use of 5dsr resolution

Well I bought the 5dsr as the image quality has really stood the test of time and, for me, seems to handle better than the mirrorless shape/size cameras..
That said, the 7Dii makes use of the full frame lens sweet spot and effectively decreases the angle of view giving the illusion of using a longer lens.

 

[soupdragon]

I’d agree with this, if it’s within your financial grasp, the R6 is a fantastic all rounder and you can get a decent used one for not a load of money.

I will google the R6 shortly but for clarity in this thread, what are the headline specs?

 

[LongLensPhotography]

Well I bought the 5dsr as the image quality has really stood the test of time and, for me, seems to handle better than the mirrorless shape/size cameras..
That said, the 7Dii makes use of the full frame lens sweet spot and effectively decreases the angle of view giving the illusion of using a longer lens.

I agree about size. You can make mirrorless feel better by adding smallrig thing, which I did and then optionally ditch the vertical part which mainly just interferes with the flippy screen.
Z8 is the one to get if you want a decent body shape right out of the box.

5Ds(R) can deliver very good results, but you will be working quite hard to get 100% and that pretty much requires sigma ART primes as regular Canon EF lenses mostly fail to get past 24mp resolution limit (excluding big whites which I haven't tested). At the end of the day most people will ever need up to 24mp of sharp image.

 

[Phil V]

I will google the R6 shortly but for clarity in this thread, what are the headline specs?

It's FF, approx. 20 Mpix, so roughly the sensor of the 1dxIII, but the headlines would be a burst rate up to 20fps, and amazing autofocus (compared to the DSLR's you have)

It's an improved 1d in a small lightweight body, or a massively upgraded 6d, depending on viewpoint.

I'd recommend you get one from Canon for a weekend loan, spend half an hour setting it up and experience a whole new world of usability. When I did this I considered it witchcraft.

An older EOS R will have more MPIX, but without the newer AF, and if you still want the advantages of crop, try an R7 (also more MPIX)

 

[Brentor]

I have a 7D ii but only used it when I needed the extra reach as I prefer full frame when possible. I have not tried the 5DRS and was never tempted given its reputation as a specialist camera that was demanding on lenses given its high resolution.

If you want to keep to EF then perhaps consider the 5Div.

I have moved to mirrorless and fortunately have a R6 and R7. I prefer the R6 and use the R7 if I need extra reach. I do find the latter noisy but it is fine if the iso is not pushed too much.

Mirrorless takes a bit of getting used to but I don’t find the size an issue. As mentioned above, the AF is quite stunning, but you may not need this for a general purpose camera.

Difficult decisions. As Phil said the Canon Try the Kit is very helpful and you shouldn’t have to wait long for the R6 and R7 given they have been around for a while. It looks like they no longer the 5Div.