Camera recommendation for product photography

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Hi,

I'm looking at getting a camera for amateur product photography, macro, still life and occasional landscape. It will mainly be used to take photos of products I'm selling on eBay and Etsy etc.
After doing a lot of research, I've decided an APS-C camera will be more than adequate and I'd mostly settled on something from the Sony A6xxx range, depending on what deals I can find. However, I then saw some recommendations for the Nikon Z50ii as being better for people who want good quality photos with minimal editing, due to it's superior software. I have no experience editing raw files and I'm not going to have time to get good at that in the short term. So having a camera that can produce a good jpeg that needs minimal editing is important to me. Editing raw is something I can then learn gradually.

With that said, would the Z50ii be more suitable for my needs? Any other recommendations are welcome. Thanks!
 
It's not the camera, but the lens.

It also depends on the size of the product, lighting is also important too.

The lens and light for selling earrings vs sofa will be different (as is the space). All cameras can take the photo you are after, I have done product photography with a Fuji XT1 (over a decade old) or the Sony A73 (almost a decade old).

To minimise editing you need good lights, and that can cost as much as your camera or lens.
 
Hi and welcome to TP

I will let others chime in with their insights as in practical use almost any camera should produce a decent usable image.

Having said that the choices of lens will be key as will allowing money for a basic close up(macro?) lighting setup........ possibly with a light tent etc.
 
It is not the camera or the lens that makes a good photo. It is the nose behind it that does
Yes, but then you wouldn't be cutting wood with a bread knife
 
The camera has almost nothing to do with the result, megapixels etc are irrelevant, but I do have a couple of suggestions.
1. Composition and detail matter a lot, so if possible connect the camera to a laptop, don't rely on a LCD screen or a viewfinder
2. APS is a good choice, it provides greater dof than a larger format camera
3. If you have to use a LCD screen, get a camera with a big one, and one that can be tilted.
4. Use a lens that's about +50% focal length, e.g. equivalent to about 75mm on a full-frame.
5. The lighting trumps everything else, so don't skimp on that, it's also the sharpest learning curve
6. Use a heavy tripod with an adjustable centre column, precise height adjustment is crucial.
7. Learn to use .raw, it's well worth it.
 
I'm firmly in the "any modern camera will meet David's requirement" camp.

Garry's list is useful, especially item 6. A good tripod is always going to help in something like product photography. I'd suggest the Benbo series but many others will no doubt be just as good.
 
Thanks for the replies. The main subjects will be things like small pieces of art, handheld items, things that would sit on a desk or shelf. Rarely anything much larger than a toaster. The location would be my house. So things like narrower focus, relatively short minimum focusing distance, a good level of detail and good low light capabilities are going to be useful, I would imagine. I won't have space to stand more than about 2 metres back. I'm looking for photos with a natural, residential feel. Nothing particularly stylised, like coloured lights etc. Here's an example (license free from pexels.com) of the type of subject matter and setting:

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I understand that I'm going to need at least some lighting, so that's something I need to look into. I'd be grateful of suggestions for what I'd need as a good starting point. Recommendations for good budget tripods are also welcome.

On the subject of lenses, I need something that's going to allow me to stand around 1 to 2 meters back without affecting lighting, at least for most things. For the more macro oriented shots, I guess I'd need something that can focus in the 30cm to 75cm range, maybe less. If I could find a single lens to do that, that would be ideal.
I've read that macro lenses are often used for product photography, even for situations where a non-macro lens could be used. So lenses like the "Laowa 65mm f/2.8 2X Ultra-Macro" or the "Meike 60mm f2.8 Large Aperture APS-C Frame Macro" could be good budget options. They may be a bit too long focal length though, if I should be aiming for around 75mm equivalent focal length. I'd be grateful of lens recommendations.

I'm happy to buy second hand and hoping to keep the camera and lens combo under £1000.
Thanks.
 
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Also don't discount the micro four thirds cameras.

The greater depth of field really wins here.

And as long as the lighting and exposure is correct you'll be hard pushed to tell the difference between full frame and M4/3. (I've had both and speak from experience).
 
Thanks for the replies. The main subjects will be things like small pieces of art, handheld items, things that would sit on a desk or shelf. Rarely anything much larger than a toaster. The location would be my house. So things like narrower focus, relatively short minimum focusing distance, a good level of detail and good low light capabilities are going to be useful, I would imagine. I won't have space to stand more than about 2 metres back. I'm looking for photos with a natural, residential feel. Nothing particularly stylised, like coloured lights etc. Here's some examples I found on Etsy that are similar to what I'm thinking:

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I understand that I'm going to need at least some lighting, so that's something I need to look into. I'd be grateful of suggestions for what I'd need as a good starting point. Recommendations for good budget tripods are also welcome.

On the subject of lenses, I need something that's going to allow me to stand around 1 to 2 meters back without affecting lighting, at least for most things. For the more macro oriented shots, I guess I'd need something that can focus in the 30cm to 75cm range, maybe less. If I could find a single lens to do that, that would be ideal.
I've read that macro lenses are often used for product photography, even for situations where a non-macro lens could be used. So lenses like the "Laowa 65mm f/2.8 2X Ultra-Macro" or the "Meike 60mm f2.8 Large Aperture APS-C Frame Macro" could be good budget options. They may be a bit too long focal length though, if I should be aiming for around 75mm equivalent focal length. I'd be grateful of lens recommendations.

I'm happy to buy second hand and hoping to keep the camera and lens combo under £1000.
Thanks.
First things first - if those example photos you posted (which are very average) are taken from another site then they are not yours to post and you must delete them.

Macro lens - usable for small product photography but by no means needed, I used to earn my living doing commercial photography, but have never used a macro lens, on the rare occasions when close distance is needed I've used an extension tube or similar, much cheaper.

The ideal lighting is probably a couple of studio flash heads, second-hand is fine, brand hardly matters at all and nor does power output, and you can do a great deal with just one light. A good starting point in your journey may be to check out these links https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/list-of-lighting-challenges.763636/ and get a basic understanding of how light works, and you will also get a good idea of what other people are using in terms of lighting etc.
 
I used to sell a fair bit on eBay including jewellery and Lego mini figs. I used an Olympus EP-1 with the 14-42mm kit lens. Lighting was just bouncing a cheap old flashgun off the white living room ceiling and the back drop was more often than not a sheet of A4 copy paper (I did get some fancy art paper with marbling and a black page for some rings and necklaces etc). So you don't need much of anything really. I might suggest you think about 5 to 30 sec video clips on your listings as having video helps with the SEO and customers like to see it as well.
I'm not saying the Panasonic S5D is the best camera ever but it might e the best camera for £700 new (with a kit lens which will certainly get you started)
 
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First things first - if those example photos you posted (which are very average) are taken from another site then they are not yours to post and you must delete them.

Macro lens - usable for small product photography but by no means needed, I used to earn my living doing commercial photography, but have never used a macro lens, on the rare occasions when close distance is needed I've used an extension tube or similar, much cheaper.

The ideal lighting is probably a couple of studio flash heads, second-hand is fine, brand hardly matters at all and nor does power output, and you can do a great deal with just one light. A good starting point in your journey may be to check out these links https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/list-of-lighting-challenges.763636/ and get a basic understanding of how light works, and you will also get a good idea of what other people are using in terms of lighting etc.
Apologies, I've replaced those photos with a license free example. It's just an example of a similar subject and setting to what I'm thinking.
Thanks for the advide.
 
If you go down the macro lens route and on an extreme budget have a look at older manual focus lenses like the Vivitar 55mm f2.8 macro. ( its big brothers the 90mm f2.8 macro and 135mm f2.8 'Close focusing 1:2' are great too although probably a bit long for your needs)

Capable of 1:1 and it's the equivalent of around 85mm on a Nikon asp-c body.

They go for peanuts in bidding ( I recently picked up a second 55mm for a fiver at a charity shop but a good copy usually goes for £30-50 on the bay), are very good performers IQ-wise and even keep up with my 42MP FF mirrorless body plus you don't really need AF for studio stuff imho,
Save your money for some decent lights/ wireless trigger and modifiers.
 
If you go down the macro lens route and on an extreme budget have a look at older manual focus lenses like the Vivitar 55mm f2.8 macro. ( its big brothers the 90mm f2.8 macro and 135mm f2.8 'Close focusing 1:2' are great too although probably a bit long for your needs)

Capable of 1:1 and it's the equivalent of around 85mm on a Nikon asp-c body.

They go for peanuts in bidding ( I recently picked up a second 55mm for a fiver at a charity shop but a good copy usually goes for £30-50 on the bay), are very good performers IQ-wise and even keep up with my 42MP FF mirrorless body plus you don't really need AF for studio stuff imho,
Save your money for some decent lights/ wireless trigger and modifiers.
Thanks. (y) I'm definitely thinking manual focus to keep cost down. I can look at an auto focus lens for other situations later down the line.
So it's sounding like a lens in the 55mm ballpark to give me 85mm equivalent should be a good starting point. Either a manual focus prime, or a basic zoom that covers 55mm. A 1:1 macro capable lens could be a good option but not essential. That narrows things down nicely. Thanks.

A remote trigger is something I hadn't thought about but makes sense and would compliment using a laptop as a screen as Garry suggested.
What are modifiers?
 
For this kind of shoot, I usually use a 24-70 lens on one of my cameras, but lately it's my Canon 90D. Why the 90D? It's my newest camera, but I used my 77D and 6D for many years with a similar lens. For objects that are angled that you want to keep fully in focus, and a high F-Stop setting doesn't work to solve the problem, a shift - tilt lens helps, but they are quite expensive. The 24 mm that I have is selling new now for about $1,300 US, and it's a DSLR lens. It lets you angle the lens so as to keep more of the important parts of the shot in focus. You won't need this for 95% or more of what you do, so only buy one, preferably a used one in good condition, when doing this kind of shoot justifies having one.

For lighting on a 34" square table, you can get by for starters with just a few speedlites at first, but adding soft boxes, snoots, gels, etc becomes difficult when working with speedlites, because things don't attach easily to them and you need cold shoe adapters for most to attach them to the tops of light stands. So, after first starting with speedlites, I now use some 300 or 400 watt / second studio strobes for most of my table shoots, because what I have uses the Bowens type mount, and soft boxes and other lighting support accessories attach easily to them. It's becoming the industry standard way of attachment to the lights and most any soft box or other light modifier either comes with Bowens, or there is an adapter for Bowens mount. You won't need anything of higher power than this, as most of my light settings tend to be at the low and very low power settings and even the speedlite power of 72 Watt/seconds or so can handle most needs.

I recently bought 3 of the Godox AD200 Pro II lights that are intended to be used more for field portrait shoots, but I might use these for the table shoots too, since they have the capability of a very low 1/512 power setting and a few times I have wanted this capability. Increased distance between the light source and subject works too. Speedlites also get used occasionally now, but mostly behind a jar or vase, to put light through the colored glass or it's contents. I use the Godox SK300 or SK400 lights now for most of my product or still life table shoots. They don't have batteries, so they run from mains power, and you will need to buy the more expensive versions that have battery power if you want to avoid the power cords. I added electric power strips to my studio ceiling, so the power cords get plugged in above to minimize power cords on the floor. There is an electric outlet every 6" along each of these, giving me power within 5' of anywhere in the 10 X 16' studio shooting area.

Godox makes small soft boxes with Bowens mounts. I use the 12 X 12" square, and the 10 X 36" rectangular sizes most of the time for these shoots, but also have and use 38" square occasionally when I want to back light around a black background card to light the back while still providing a black background. They also offer 7" reflectors for the Bowens mount, and barn door assemblies that hold grids and colored filters well and these attach to the 7" reflectors. For the 7" grids, there are several sets of grids available through Amazon, and likely many other sources. I have a 10, 30, and 50 degree set, and found another 20, 40, and 60 degree set, so with two of each size of these combined I have two full sets of 10 - 60 degree grid capability to choose from. I haven't needed two grids of the same degree very often, so just one of each size grid will likely do all you need. I would start with the 10, 30, 50 degree set and add later if you find the need.

A good place to watch and learn this type of photography is on Youtube. The channel is called "Camera Club Live" and he is one of your fellow countrymen. Every Wednesday he has a new video that he posts at about 3 PM US East Coast Time. His teaching methods are the best. He begins by showing the finished shot, then takes you step by step through the entire setup for the shot to the final image. Don't think that you need any of his expensive top of the line gear for this. Any camera with a 24-70 lens, or close, that has manual adjustments, can be used for most of what he does. My gear is mostly Godox or similar quality, and Canon DSLR cameras, but I have used a 10 year old 16 megapixel Fuji with a fixed lens for this kind of work too. I do many DIY things when I can, and the shows of his that i have been interested in trying, I have been able to duplicate or nearly so, the results that he gets with just what I have. If you have questions as you get into this, don't hesitate to ask here, or by a personal message. I do my best to help you get started with a minimum of capability. There are many alternatives, but almost always a low budget solution.


Charley
 
First an formost it is a business one is going into not a dream of what could be. so a business hat needs putting on

how many times have I read about people wanting to take up commercial or semi commerial photograpy for a living or part living. No thought about advertising costs - third party insurance- local competition -travelling expense- let alone production costs in the way of equipment whatever that may cover- how much needs to be earned before making a profit- the length of time to get establised not to mention the time to produce the end product. Not to mention attracting clients

Tthen comes the legal side ie registering the business be it as a sole trader or whatever possible the need of an accountant for tax purposes, knowing what you can legally claim against earned income tax- we got involved in VAT for example

It took myself and my wife 7 years to get established in our line of work before we started to make a profit, those years were just about break even times. the commitment has to be 110 percent or failure, and long long hours with paperwork that is so often overlooked but necessary .


Anyone want to branch out into any form of business I say good luck to, but bare in mind starting out is harder than one may think

On the good side what your hard earned work pays goes into your own pocket, not someone higher up capitalising on your efforts
 
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Thanks. (y) I'm definitely thinking manual focus to keep cost down. I can look at an auto focus lens for other situations later down the line.
So it's sounding like a lens in the 55mm ballpark to give me 85mm equivalent should be a good starting point. Either a manual focus prime, or a basic zoom that covers 55mm. A 1:1 macro capable lens could be a good option but not essential. That narrows things down nicely. Thanks.

A remote trigger is something I hadn't thought about but makes sense and would compliment using a laptop as a screen as Garry suggested.
What are modifiers?
A remote trigger is just a thing that sits in the camera hotshoe and fires the flash when the shutter opens, most of them also allow remote control of the power setting etc., nothing to do with a laptop.

A modifier is anything that fits over the front of the flash head (or another type of light) to modify the shape, size etc of the light, e.g. softbox, honeycomb, standard reflector. Bowens fit, AKA S-fit, is the most popular accessory mount by far, so the modifier choices are greater and the costs are lower
 
Welcome, and great to see you've already done your homework before buying.

To echo what others have said: the camera itself really is the least critical variable here. For static subjects on a tripod with controlled lighting, you're not asking the camera to do anything particularly demanding — any modern APS-C sensor will resolve more detail than your subjects will need, and JPEG quality across the Sony, Nikon and Fuji ranges at this level is all very capable. I wouldn't pay a premium specifically for "better JPEGs" when the real difference will come from your lighting setup.

A few thoughts that might help as you pull things together:

Since you're shooting on a tripod with static subjects, tethering to a laptop is genuinely worth considering — as Garry touched on. Being able to review a full-resolution image on a proper screen rather than squinting at a 3" LCD is a game-changer for getting focus and exposure right, and most Sony and Nikon bodies support it natively.

On the lens front: a 55mm prime or a kit zoom that covers that range is a solid starting point and will keep costs down. Don't feel you need to solve macro and general shooting with one lens immediately — the kit zoom gets you shooting straight away, and a dedicated macro or portrait prime can follow once you've worked out exactly what you need.

For lighting, starting simple is genuinely fine. A single continuous LED panel or a budget strobe with a softbox, plus a white foam board as a fill reflector on the opposite side, will handle the vast majority of the lifestyle-feel shots you're describing. The investment in a decent softbox to get that soft, natural light is far more impactful than any camera upgrade.

Good luck with it — it's a satisfying type of photography once you get the setup dialled in.
 
I generally agree with the above, but disagree strongly with this bit
A single continuous LED panel or a budget strobe with a softbox, plus a white foam board as a fill reflector on the opposite side, will handle the vast majority of the lifestyle-feel shots you're describing. The investment in a decent softbox to get that soft, natural light is far more impactful than any camera upgrade.
LED panel lights are almost useless, because it's almost impossible to modify the light in any way, as well as being overpriced.
 
A remote trigger is just a thing that sits in the camera hotshoe and fires the flash when the shutter opens, most of them also allow remote control of the power setting etc., nothing to do with a laptop.

A modifier is anything that fits over the front of the flash head (or another type of light) to modify the shape, size etc of the light, e.g. softbox, honeycomb, standard reflector. Bowens fit, AKA S-fit, is the most popular accessory mount by far, so the modifier choices are greater and the costs are lower
Thanks. I just meant I could see how a remote trigger would be beneficial, particularly when paired with a laptop as a screen. So that I can use the laptop screen to setup the shot and then trigger the camera with the remote, without having to move back to the camera and risk disturbing it.

Thanks for the info on modifiers. I'll look into S-Fit. (y)
 
No. You can get a separate remote to fire the camera, but what we're talking about here is a remote that fires the flash, basically removing the need for a hard wire connection between the flash and the camera.
 
No. You can get a separate remote to fire the camera, but what we're talking about here is a remote that fires the flash, basically removing the need for a hard wire connection between the flash and the camera.
Ahhh, I see. So is there some kind of wireless connection between the camera and the flash remote? Or is it a wired connection between the camera and remote and a wireless connection between the remote and flash?
 
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Thanks for the input everyone. I think I've got a decent idea of what I need but it's clear to me I need to learn a lot about lighting equipment and techniques. So I'm going to spend some time looking into that. (y)

You may find that a local college offers evening courses on studio photography,
 
Thanks for the input everyone. I think I've got a decent idea of what I need but it's clear to me I need to learn a lot about lighting equipment and techniques. So I'm going to spend some time looking into that. (y)
You’ll find @Garry Edwards has written a couple of books and some very fine tutorials on the subject.
 
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