Beginner Bracketting, HDR, Exposure compensation......

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My Nikon D3200 does not have the facility for bracketing so If I understand correctly, you can do similar by adjusting Exposure Compensation up and down a stop, or portions of.??
I can take 3 shots at middle, under and over exposure. The problem I then have is merging them. I only have Lightroom 5 and this does not have the facility to HDR Merge.
I also do not own Photoshop. I do however own Gimp 2.8, but even after watching tutorials, I cant get it to merge the 3 photos for a perfect shot.
Can anyone advise a simple way to do this with my limited resources, or a simple editing suite that will do this for me? I want to take my photography to the next level and I'm constantly stuck with blown out white skies and major editing. Thanks.
 
I've got NIK EFEX. Just watched a YouTube tutorial and it seems easy enough.
However, the export to NIK is stalling about 3 quarters through and just sticking. I am trying to export 3 selected NEF files (Nikon RAW).
NIK HDR opens automatically and the 3 images are shown, but the page is slightly "hazy" and it wont let me do any adjustments, I'm assuming until LR has finished exporting. Which it never does. Any advice?
 
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IIRC when you export from LR to the Nik HDR process the files are amended in some way. You get a progress bar showing that the files are "being prepared for export". I know nowt about Nikon, but is your model a recently introduced one? Does LR process your RAW files without problems?
It might be worth trying the DNG convertor. Free download from Adobe (Google is your friend)
Run the chosen files through the convertor> then into LR>then ito NIK. Adds another step but might solve some hidden incompatablity problems.
You can run all your files through if you wish and process them as you would the RAWS. Strips out a lot of extraneous material and reduces files size, but not file quality.
 
If you are going to do hdr using a program to Simulate it, is not the same. The best method with the camera you have is to take 3 shots and under/overexpose as required shoot in raw and you will get better highlight and shadow detail but user beware there is good hdr and there is VERY bad hdr good luck! look at some videos on how to do GOOD hdr. hth Mike.
 
Thanks guys. Its more bracketing I would like to learn. I'm aware I need to take 3 shots and by merging them, you get one perfectly exposed shot all the way through the range. Is that correct?? I haven't got Photoshop but I have got Lightroom. LR will import my RAW files from media just fine, but then stalls trying to export them to NIK.
 
Thanks guys. Its more bracketing I would like to learn. I'm aware I need to take 3 shots and by merging them, you get one perfectly exposed shot all the way through the range. Is that correct??

You cannot make assumptions, even taking 3 bracketed shots you can blow out the highlights (on the negative bracketed shot). I took lots of bracketed sequences in a dimly lit cathedral the other day, but the light from the windows was very intense, even with 7 or 9 bracketed shots I got blown highlights. So I ended up with my initial image being underexposed in order to retain the highlights.

Most cameras allow you to select the bracket interval and some let you take more than 3 images.

You can of course self bracket, by taking a sequence of shots at different shutter speeds, though you want the camera in manual focus or AF-LOCK for this to work - to retain the focus point). You can then merge these into an HDR image.
 
You cannot make assumptions, even taking 3 bracketed shots you can blow out the highlights (on the negative bracketed shot). I took lots of bracketed sequences in a dimly lit cathedral the other day, but the light from the windows was very intense, even with 7 or 9 bracketed shots I got blown highlights. So I ended up with my initial image being underexposed in order to retain the highlights.

Most cameras allow you to select the bracket interval and some let you take more than 3 images.

You can of course self bracket, by taking a sequence of shots at different shutter speeds, though you want the camera in manual focus or AF-LOCK for this to work - to retain the focus point). You can then merge these into an HDR image.

My camera (Nikon D3200) does not have a bracket function so ive taken 3 photos , one stop down, one stop up and neutral. Then I'm stuck with 3 photos!! LR5 does not have the HDR Merge function. I'm looking for an alternative method.
 
My camera (Nikon D3200) does not have a bracket function so ive taken 3 photos , one stop down, one stop up and neutral. Then I'm stuck with 3 photos!! LR5 does not have the HDR Merge function. I'm looking for an alternative method.

OK but you can brakect as follows:-

Note Shutter Speed of your first shot, say 1/250, then with the same aperture, ISO and focus point, take further images at 1/500, 1/1000, 1/2000 and at 1/125, 1/60 and 1/30

You now have a 7 shot bracketed sequence


If I launch HDRefx on its own it only seems to support JPG imports but will allow you to export a TIFF. I know that there may be a quality issue but could you in the first instance try exporting your images from lightroom at JPG's then starting up HDRefx as a standalone app and then importing the files. Does that work?? The fact that you only have 8 bit depth per image will have less effect if you have a large bracketed sequence.
 
That was an option. I was hoping to do it in RAW to retain quality.
 
OK but you can brakect as follows:-

Note Shutter Speed of your first shot, say 1/250, then with the same aperture, ISO and focus point, take further images at 1/500, 1/1000, 1/2000 and at 1/125, 1/60 and 1/30

You now have a 7 shot bracketed sequence

Explain please @Mr Perceptive how you merge them?
I have Photomatix, Dynamic HDR and the NIK plug in. All of those want to read in the embedded data that there has been exposure compensation applied. The NIK actually gives you the compensation values of each bracketed shot. (They are always slightly different from what the camera settings say, but that's a separate story!)
If the shutter speed is changed then no compensation can be read. So how does the software differentiate between what are, from a computer's point of view, correctly exposed shots.
 
Explain please @Mr Perceptive how you merge them?
I have Photomatix, Dynamic HDR and the NIK plug in. All of those want to read in the embedded data that there has been exposure compensation applied. The NIK actually gives you the compensation values of each bracketed shot. (They are always slightly different from what the camera settings say, but that's a separate story!)
If the shutter speed is changed then no compensation can be read. So how does the software differentiate between what are, from a computer's point of view, correctly exposed shots.

Well LR just does it assuming you have a late enough version, I will try the NIK plug in tomorrow morning, I have a suitable sequence
 
I assume you mean CC?
Are you doing all your HDR in LR rather than NIK?
 
I use the Photo Merge function in Lightroom and am quite happy with the result.

Here's the end result of a church interior I took from my Norfolk Coast trip couple of weeks back. If I recall this was 3 shots taken using bracketing - with use of a tripod.

HSC_2214-HDR by Gilbo B, on Flickr
 
That could explain it.
I'd be interested to see a time adjusted example taken concurrent with an exposure compensated one.

What's the benefit of time adjustments? Is it to do with focal lengths and focus points? Seems to ring a dim and distant bell.
 
That could explain it.
I'd be interested to see a time adjusted example taken concurrent with an exposure compensated one.

What's the benefit of time adjustments? Is it to do with focal lengths and focus points? Seems to ring a dim and distant bell.

OK This was done using HDRefex - it is a time adjusted bracketed sequence of 7 shots. I did it back in early 2016, but I have just repeated the processing, and it works just fine.


160311 Moreton Corbet Church sm
by David Yeoman, on Flickr

If I look at sequences I took last Friday, then the individual images show the same ISO, Aperture but all vary in Exposure Time, so the camera is doing it anyway. For example I have a set of 9 images, the first was ISO200, F11 1.2 sec, the rest in the sequnece are at 7.5, 4.5, 3.0, 1.9, 0.7, 0.5, 1/3, 1/5 - I was set to 9 exposure bracket at +/-2/3, I ignored the brightest two images, and merged the rest to create this


170929 Liverpool Cathedral 2000px
by David Yeoman, on Flickr

The X-T2 manual does say that it is altering exposure in AE and it appears to be doing that by effectively varying shutter speed.
 
Thank you @Mr Perceptive
I can't remember how the Canon did things, but it's quite clear that the T2 does exposure compensation by varying the times of exposures. It can clearly be noticed in just how long the different shots in the range take. The early - over exposed - shots take a lot longer than the later - under exposed - shots. In some ways this makes sense; otherwise aperture would have to be adjusted every time and that clearly doesn't happen. It also answers the question we have debated about how the different shots are achieved. We did wonder if just one shot was taken and some in-built pogramme was adjusting a base shot to give a range of different results. Clearly not so.

It would also answer the anomoly see in HDRefex when the images are loaded up. The different values for exposure compensation on each shot are always shown, but are seldom in exact units of one stop difference. Frequently it shows values of 0.8 or 0.9 of a stop difference between exposures. If aperture was being changed by the camera then exact values would be shown, wouldn't they? Adjusting time values could lead to the slight variations in compensation that are shown. It would seem that the exposure compensation data is being writtten in terms of f stops, but being achieved by means of timimg variations.

If we ever get any daylight today I'll have a play. It will give us something to debate on Saturday after the excitement of Digital Splash has subsided. It could be that the manual version you mentioned above is already being done in camera for us, at the flick of a switch!
 
Lightroom 5 and photoshop is technically all you need.

I strongly advise against using ANY HDR software and particularly photoshop implementaton.

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You need to edit one of your darker bracketed shots as you want ignoring the noise and other issues. Then you just sync the settings to the other images, match brightness (by hand using eyedropper tool gets you closest) and open up as layers in photoshop. A quick layer mask and further editing gets you perfect results everytime. And best of all it does not look UGLY and repugnant like HDR.
 
Yes, LR CC merge works well with static shots from tripod with no change in the frame.

I use the Photo Merge function in Lightroom and am quite happy with the result.

Here's the end result of a church interior I took from my Norfolk Coast trip couple of weeks back. If I recall this was 3 shots taken using bracketing - with use of a tripod.

HSC_2214-HDR by Gilbo B, on Flickr
 
For no particular reason I have just run off a set of nine shots but using shutter priority rather then aperture priority.
Exposure compensation was achieved by changing aperture on each shot. Shutter speed remained constant.
Not sure what that proves!
Surely adjusting the shutter speed in A mode gives better results? If the aperture is constant then depth of field will always be the same; if aperture is adjusted depth of field could vary which might give rise to the dreaded artefacts.
Am I making sense?
 
For no particular reason I have just run off a set of nine shots but using shutter priority rather then aperture priority.
Exposure compensation was achieved by changing aperture on each shot. Shutter speed remained constant.
Not sure what that proves!
Surely adjusting the shutter speed in A mode gives better results? If the aperture is constant then depth of field will always be the same; if aperture is adjusted depth of field could vary which might give rise to the dreaded artefacts.
Am I making sense?

I think that doing what you just done, and AE bracketing on the Fuji will give the same results
 
Yes. I could try that. Tomorrow!
Think I still prefer compensation to be by length of exposure rather than adjusting apertures.
 
For no particular reason I have just run off a set of nine shots but using shutter priority rather then aperture priority.
Exposure compensation was achieved by changing aperture on each shot. Shutter speed remained constant.
Not sure what that proves!
Surely adjusting the shutter speed in A mode gives better results? If the aperture is constant then depth of field will always be the same; if aperture is adjusted depth of field could vary which might give rise to the dreaded artefacts.
Am I making sense?

100% you need to be bracketing in aperture priority and not shutter priority. On canon and Nikon in manual even the camera will adjust the shutter speed when bracketing. I'd guess your camera does too.
Lightroom 5 and photoshop is technically all you need.

I strongly advise against using ANY HDR software and particularly photoshop implementaton.

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You need to edit one of your darker bracketed shots as you want ignoring the noise and other issues. Then you just sync the settings to the other images, match brightness (by hand using eyedropper tool gets you closest) and open up as layers in photoshop. A quick layer mask and further editing gets you perfect results everytime. And best of all it does not look UGLY and repugnant like HDR.

This. HDR gets a bad name and rightly so because of tone mapping and horrendous processing algorithms.

HDR is not a bad thing though when done correctly, our eyes/brains are HDR sensors compared to our cameras...

Very quickly, for the OP. Bracketing for landscapes is something I would nearly always recommend. The reason being is even if you do not need multiple shots to blend, it ensures you have the optimum exposure to work with back at your computer. You will also learn that the file you felt was overexposed in the field for example is actually the one to work with. It will help you gain a better understanding of what is an optimum exposure, whilst giving you a safety net.

Equally, memory is cheap and once you have captured that raw data you can always work on it in the future. Software, and your skills will always improve, so even if you don't see the need for the various exposures now, one day in the future you and the software will improve and those extra exposures may become useful. Obviously only worth keeping for decent shots.

Now, yourself and others regularly mention shooting base and plus/minus one stop. For me, if your camera meter has already underexposed the highlights at base by a stop or over, then the base shot and minus shot are a waste of time. The reason being the plus shot has the detail in the highlights still and better signal to noise ratio for the shadows.

Don't just blindly let the camera decide and add a plus/minus shot, although arguably this is better than letting the camera decide and only taking the base shot! You can either be very technical about determining the exposures required for the scene or you can use the 21st century light meter...

...which is image review with the rgb histogram enabled and the shot taken in neutral picture style. (Because the picture style affects the in camera jpeg and as such the histogram, neutral has the lowest contrast/saturation levels and as such shows a more accurate histogram).

So in practice, take your bracket of shots and make sure that in the darkest one none of the colour channels clip the right hand edge. But equally unless you always want to take loads more than you need having the tones a long way left from the right hand edge is pointless and you won't need them. A safety margin is worth building in though, once highlights are blown they are gone and detail is lost. So, either shoot one extra shot to the left of an exposed to the right shot*, or keep it a little way back from the right hand edge.

Your number/spacing of brighter shots required is then just enough to lift the shadow tones in the brightest exposure off the left hand side of the histogram so you have no blocked out blacks and you don't have to digitally push the shadows of that file.

To recap, live by your histogram. Understand it and learn what exposures you need. *If you haven't already read up in the expose to the right principle. In essence it is putting the histogram as far to the right as possible without blowing the highlights. But don't get confused, in a scene that extends your cameras dynamic range that histogram may be heavily to the left but with a blip (the bright highlights) near the right hand edge, so you have still exposed as far right as possible without blowing the highlights.

Relevant to your camera @jpgreenwood and in practice I would shoot manual and establish my darkest exposure at the aperture I require by modifying the shutter speed and checking the histogram. So once you have found the shutter speed with the highlights saved, and while you are learning do err on the side of caution here. I would then take that shot again, and quickly but gently touching the camera increase the length of exposure by a stop, then again, then again etc depending on how much range the scene appears to have. Then I'd review that brightest exposure and make sure we are off the left hand edge of the histogram.

Easy, you now have the best possible files to work with.
 
Lots of Good Stuff.

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Great post from Craig, believe in the histogram, I run a number of workshops for a local camera store, and this is one thing that I drum into the people that come on the course. Even on a single shot, correct use of the histogram will improve your resultant images.

But please @jpgreenwood just invest in the software (later version LR), it will save a lot of time and heartache, and all that time you spend searching for a freebie solution that works, you could be out taking photos :)
 
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