Best paper types for image subjects?

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Is there a general rule of thumb for using certain paper types, matte / glossy / whatever , for certain images? I was at the local camera club last night and they were doing their yearly B&W competition judging and the judge was talking about how certain images might of been better had it been printed on different paper types, to get better blacks and tonal ranges.

So is there a very general rule of thumb as to what paper types to use for certain things? Without sitting down and churning through a tonne of ink and paper to test things out for myself it would be useful to at least have a starting point somewhere. Or if anyone knows an online reference outlining the effects of paper types on the final image, that would be useful :)
 
I would also like to know this! I've been printing everything on premium glossy, but just ordered a pack of lustre, whatever that is. I've only ever used the one paper so different effects on different paper is a whole new bag of mystery!
 
This is sort of a "how long is a piece of string" type question. There are so many papers out there and so much of it is subjective that any rules as such can only be opinion ... and so much depends on what printer you are using too and whether it is dye ink or pigment ink, then add in calibration and profiles ...

Having said all that ... there are som papers which are targeted at mono such as Ilford Galerie Gold Mono Silk - I've not used it as I don't do much mono printing, but those that have always praise it.

Some landscape photographers prefer a matt finish, such as Joe Cornish, his paper of choice is (or was) Fotospeed Smooth Cotton 300gsm and it would seem Charlie Waite prefers Fotospeed Platinum Etching 285gsm, whilst I am a gazillion miles off those two gents in terms of ability my preference is a baryta type paper which has a soft sheen as my goto paper with both Fotospeed Platinum Baryta 300gsm and Permajet FB Gold Silk 315 fitting the bill. I use a pigment ink printer and have icc profiles for the paper/ink combo as well as a calibrated workflow - in other words the prints look like they do on screen. I say like as they cannot be exactly the same due to colour gamuts, which is still a little above my head just now, but I'm learning!

The two papers I use also work wonderfully well with portraits too and similar types of images.

The surface finishes play an important part in how the final image looks, a matt finish is just that, matt, i.e. no shininess at all. The full glossy finishes look like wet paint for want of a better way of describing it and can make images look really quite saturated and vibrant - this sounds good, but can actually overpower any subtle tones imo. A semi gloss is sort of a halfway house, not as glossy and has a less dramatic effect. A lustre finish is similar to a semi gloss but somehow seems to have greater depth - like I said very hard to explain. I'd say the baryta papers I sue have a lustre finish, they are definitely not matt. This type of finishes seems to bring out the subtley of toning as well as offering great depth of colour and good blacks, at least the ones I've used do.

I've also tried some metallic pearl type finished papers. These also are what I'd describe as a lustre finish, but they also have a metallic sheen to them. They produce very sharp prints and my limited testing with mono showed promising results for contrasty images, not sure about them being subtle though ;)

Then there are textured papers, these can produce stunning results but in my opinion are best used for larger prints. The ones I've used are all matt papers and I particularly like the Permajet Museum 310 and Parchment 285 papers but the smallest I'd print from them would be A3 otherwise the texture gets in the way rather than enhance the image (sorry best I can explain it). Neither would be first choice for mono though imo.

Many of the paper companies do test packs, worth trying a couple imo to get a feel for what you like. At the end of the day, they are your images and your prints - you should be aiming to please yourself first and foremost with how they look, rather than worry about pleasing others. I know that sounds selfish, but it isn't meant to be.
 
Thanks Paul, that's a helpful reply to an almost impossible question. I guess one of those test packs is going to be the way to go. But like all areas that are new to folk, this is full of jargon that I'm sure makes sense, but confuses the newbie. For instance, you mentioned baryta, but I've no idea what that means.

Ashley originally asked (among other things):

... if anyone knows an online reference outlining the effects of paper types on the final image, that would be useful :)

I guess the problem might be, you'd have to see the prints to appreciate the differences; they wouldn't necessarily translate back on line?
 
Baryta is a coating applied to fibre based photo papers, I believe it is barium sulphate or derived from barium sulphate. Of the ones I've used it tends to give a slightly warmer feel to images, a subtle effect though. I'm not aware of any online resource that would outline the types/differences in papers. I know Northlight images sometimes do reviews on certain papers so maybe worth checking out. Also many of the suppliers websites have good descriptions of how the paper performs.

You will see paper described as fine art paper or as photo paper, generally the fine art papers tend to be archival, that means that properly mounted etc they will stay colour fast for quite some time (85 years iirc) - they are also generally more expensive too! Many of the ordinary photo papers are excellent too, again it depends a lot on intended purpose of the print.
 
Very helpful thread, I will be keeping an eye open for posts.

For what it is worth, I do a lot of mono printing or portraits and love Fotospeed's Baryta paper. It has a very nice feel and blacks are deep.

It might help to visit a printer. The Printspace in east London is excellent. last time I went in you could look at a range of output printed on their range of papers and the very helpful staff would waste their time explaining everything to a noob like me.
 
Fotospeed baryta paper is my choice for black and white, it's superb!
You may want to invest in a sample pack of paper from Fotospeed or Permajet. Cut the different papers in half to double the amount and print 2 or 3 different pictures on each type to get an idea of what works. It'll take some time and cost you some ink and paper but you'll have a better idea going forward of what works for you:)
 
thanks for the replies, really useful info :) I have a couple of test packs from perma jet and generally use their oyster semi gloss paper which is nice enough. Without really sitting down and printing the same image on each paper type you can never really tell so the info here is really handy ta. I use a canon pixma pro 100, genuine inks, and have a custom profile made up for the oyster paper and generic permajet profiles for everything else. its nice of them to do custom profiles for you actually, but again its the hassle of sending off samples for them to sort out for you.
 
I've been trialling a lot of papers - but don't do my own printing. The Print Space sell packs of sample prints of 10 of their most popular, including C Type and Giclee papers. Unfortunately it's a different image on each paper type so direct comparison is difficult but I still found the pack very useful.

I've also had sample prints from Metro, Loxley, One Vision and Ilford.

I know now what I prefer for various types and sizes of image. (On the off-chance that you're interested, it's a pearl or semi-gloss C Type paper nearly every time for me, but that's not much use if you're printing at home). I can imagine using metallic papers or museum rag papers for some things, but not often.
 
Most pro labs will have sample swatches of all the different papers they offer if it helps
 
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