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I'm about to dip my toe into studio work for products and people. it will start purely on an amature basis but will hopefully go for some paid work at some point (once competent!).

If you had £400 what would you buy (as a landscaper I would also like it to be reasonably portable)?

I'm trying to get my head round what I need, when I need it and why I need it. Is there any sage advice out there or guides you could recommend?

my head is spinning with it all! :shrug::bang:
 
I'm a novice to the whole thing really but I did notice a portable studio kit in jessops the other week 2 lights, reflectors, backgrounds ect maybe worth a look, sorry not the best reply
 
is there an option of having mains powered kit and then using a battery for outside usage? if so, what should I look for?

Yes, but it'll cost you a lot more than your budget.

Powerful, portable lights mean proper heads and they need a lot of juice to fire them successively throughout a shoot, hence the large (and heavY) power packs. You're looking at about £700 for a good brand like a Lencarta Safari and probably £1300 for a similar Elinchrom Range set-up. Don't even google Profoto - £6000 for a battery pack!! :lol:

Having a do-it-all lighting rig is hard to come by otherwise; the only other option is to go down the speedlight route, which is light and portable (and cheap) but they lack the overall grunt to do lots of overpowering the sun with high f-stops. But, they are still very good and there are more and more quality modifiers available that you could, in theory, get two speedlghts, two soft boxes, two stands and a trigger set for well under your budget. It may be far-eastern stuff from Phottix and Yongnuo but it'll do a job.
 
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is there an option of having mains powered kit and then using a battery for outside usage? if so, what should I look for?

Battery powered systems are much more expensive, heavy, and slower to recycle.

You can get battery packs to power a mains system outdoors, but all the above still applies. Check Innovatronix.

BTW, Profoto systems are nearer £2k rather than £6k. V good they are too.
 
Calumet genesis 300b and power port battery pack. You'd get change from £330.

Cracking little unit, in many ways comparable to my eli quadra. Hammered it for the last 18 months and it keeps coming back for more.

Is ac/dc - runs off mains when near to plugs (unlike quadras and their like which always run off dc battery even when plugged in), runs off battery when not.

http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/eng/product/calumet_genesis_300b_flash_head/cf0507
http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/eng/product/calumet_genesis_300_powerport_power_pack/cf0508

Bowens also do ac/dc, but their batteries weight a fair bit and are a lot more expensive than the Calumet. Investigate them too.
 
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Hmm, this thread's getting a little carried away with itself. It doesn't really matter how many thousands Profotos are if you only want to spend £400.

For that budget, your only decent portable option is a couple of speedlights and radio triggers. I'm doing some work for a firm that have a very nice mains/battery product but you'd need to double your budget to even get close to that. Ditto for Safari - you need to be spending around £800 to get going with that.

For £400 you could have a very good mains only system though. Something like this for example http://www.lencarta.com/lighting-st...ads-1/twin-head-mains-powered-starter-kit-504.

Speedlights and triggers are another option (somebody else can advise on which Yongnuo to get). Couple of stands and softboxes and you are in the running for people at least. Garry would probably suggest some kinds of grids and bigger softboxes for products.
 
Speedlights and triggers are another option (somebody else can advise on which Yongnuo to get).

Regarding speedlights, you would do best to look at the Yongnuo YN560. Similar power output to Nikon SB900 or Canon EX580. Quicker recycling time than either of the Canon or Nikon guns. Can take an optional external battery pack to reduce recycling times to well under a second for full power pops. Around £50 each.
However, I would also advise waiting a tad longer if possible, because the MKII version is due out. The main improvement is a LCD screen on the back, rather than an array of LEDs
 
this is fantastic advice.


Hmm, this thread's getting a little carried away with itself. It doesn't really matter how many thousands Profotos are if you only want to spend £400.

For that budget, your only decent portable option is a couple of speedlights and radio triggers. I'm doing some work for a firm that have a very nice mains/battery product but you'd need to double your budget to even get close to that. Ditto for Safari - you need to be spending around £800 to get going with that.

For £400 you could have a very good mains only system though. Something like this for example http://www.lencarta.com/lighting-st...ads-1/twin-head-mains-powered-starter-kit-504.

Speedlights and triggers are another option (somebody else can advise on which Yongnuo to get). Couple of stands and softboxes and you are in the running for people at least. Garry would probably suggest some kinds of grids and bigger softboxes for products.

What if the budget went to £600 and you never told my wife.... what could I get?

Regarding speedlights, you would do best to look at the Yongnuo YN560. Similar power output to Nikon SB900 or Canon EX580. Quicker recycling time than either of the Canon or Nikon guns. Can take an optional external battery pack to reduce recycling times to well under a second for full power pops. Around £50 each.
However, I would also advise waiting a tad longer if possible, because the MKII version is due out. The main improvement is a LCD screen on the back, rather than an array of LEDs

You're going to have to forgive stupid questions here but speedlights sit in the hot shoe... no? Or are you saying they can be plonked onto a stand / softbox / brolly? would speedlights have light sensitive triggers?

newbie or what! stick me in a field with some filters and I'm a happy lad though!:)
 
Basically you have to decide between 2 very different approaches, hotshoe flash and studio flash.
Hotshoe flash is popular for people photography, although it has severe limitations (no modelling lamp, limited power, slow recycling) but it has advantages too, in terms of portability.

You say that you want to do product photography too. That would rule them out for me, but look at this thread, it contains a lot of good info.

Hotshoe flashes can be used off camera and can be triggered wirelessly or with a wired connection, they don't have to be stuck on the top of the camera.
 
You're going to have to forgive stupid questions here but speedlights sit in the hot shoe... no? Or are you saying they can be plonked onto a stand / softbox / brolly? would speedlights have light sensitive triggers?
Yes to the hotshoe
Yes to the stand, using an adaptor
Yes to speedlight specific softboxes etc, or use an 'S' fit adaptor and use the real McCoys, but you would need to bear in mind the amount of power you get from a speedlight when contemplating filling some of these modifiers
Yes to the brolly. Most light stand adaptors actually cater for the fitting of a brolly.
Yes, the YN560 have a photocell fitted. However, the best possible solution would be to use radio triggers which won't be phased by strong sunlight. Yongnuo make some excellent triggers such as the RF603 or the RF602
 
tip top tips fellas! I think I shall go shopping....

studio flash /strobe (get me with my lingo! :) ) seems the best route. radio triggers. softbox / brolly (that's another topic of debate in itself by the looks of google when asked...). stands....

phew! so.... if you were me.... £600.... anyone know of a good package? (Garry, give me your best shot with the Lencarta gear - happy to listen!)
 
tip top tips fellas! I think I shall go shopping....

studio flash /strobe (get me with my lingo! :) ) seems the best route. radio triggers. softbox / brolly (that's another topic of debate in itself by the looks of google when asked...). stands....

phew! so.... if you were me.... £600.... anyone know of a good package? (Garry, give me your best shot with the Lencarta gear - happy to listen!)
What sort of products do you want to shoot?
 
well I've got to shoot garments and since I'm selling a house, anything that I can get rid of. but do also intend to do still life... twigs and shells stuff.
There isn't really a clear cut answer but my starting point would be either the basic SmartFlash twin head kit or the similar ElitePro kit. Both will be fine for people photography but the extra features/controls of the ElitePro tip the balance for product photography, if your budget allows.

Both kits include a shoot through umbrella, ideal for fill light. You then have the choice of adding either a large softbox or a 70cm beauty dish with a honeycomb and although I would advise the softbox for most people photography, the beauty dish, when used without the honeycomb and with the included diffuser, doubles up as a softbox of the same size. When used for product photography, the beauty dish used without the honeycomb gives a very directional yet reasonably soft light, and with the honeycomb it gives a harder light that will reveal the texture of whatever you're photographing.

If you're photographing small, shiny subjects then you'll need to put a fill light overhead, and although you don't absolutely need one, a boom arm will make life easier for you. And I would get a 5 in 1 reflector too - invaluable!

Finally, there are some bits on the Lencarta blog about product photography that may help.
 
There isn't really a clear cut answer but my starting point would be either the basic SmartFlash twin head kit or the similar ElitePro kit. Both will be fine for people photography but the extra features/controls of the ElitePro tip the balance for product photography, if your budget allows.

Both kits include a shoot through umbrella, ideal for fill light. You then have the choice of adding either a large softbox or a 70cm beauty dish with a honeycomb and although I would advise the softbox for most people photography, the beauty dish, when used without the honeycomb and with the included diffuser, doubles up as a softbox of the same size. When used for product photography, the beauty dish used without the honeycomb gives a very directional yet reasonably soft light, and with the honeycomb it gives a harder light that will reveal the texture of whatever you're photographing.

If you're photographing small, shiny subjects then you'll need to put a fill light overhead, and although you don't absolutely need one, a boom arm will make life easier for you. And I would get a 5 in 1 reflector too - invaluable!

Finally, there are some bits on the Lencarta blog about product photography that may help.

very helpful Garry. Quick question around the packages if I may... If I were to buy the elite lights separately, do they include a stand? it's not too obvious from the website.
 
very helpful Garry. Quick question around the packages if I may... If I were to buy the elite lights separately, do they include a stand? it's not too obvious from the website.
No, if you buy just the head nothing else comes with it.
 
Regarding speedlights, you would do best to look at the Yongnuo YN560. Similar power output to Nikon SB900 or Canon EX580. Quicker recycling time than either of the Canon or Nikon guns. Can take an optional external battery pack to reduce recycling times to well under a second for full power pops. Around £50 each.
However, I would also advise waiting a tad longer if possible, because the MKII version is due out. The main improvement is a LCD screen on the back, rather than an array of LEDs

I'm fairly new to flash. Can you explain how the YN560 is so cheap, even compared to the likes of the Nissin Di-866 Mark II which I was looking to get a few of? If it's because it's manual only, that's fine for me but are the flash duration times pretty low? Cheers.
 
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The YN560 are manual only, with Flash duration: 1/200s - 1/20000s
The specs are listed by the manufacturer as being:
Guide Number: 58 (at 35mm focal length, ISO 100 in meters);
Movable vertical angle: 0º to 90º;
Movable horizontal angle: 0º to 270º;
Power Source: 4 x AA batteries (Alkaline or Ni-MH are usable);
Recycling time: Approx. 3 seconds (using alkaline batteries);
Color temperature: 5600K;
Flash duration: 1/200s - 1/20000s;
Adjustable power level in manual mode: 1/128, 1/64, 1/32, 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 and 1/1;
Adjustable power level in output power fine-tuning function: 57 levels output power level from zero to full power;
Dimensions: 60mm x 190mm x 78mm;
Weight: 350g;
Interfaces: Hot shoe, PC sync port and external charging port for battery pack;
Supports power saving mode (can also be disabled);
Zoom function: 24mm, 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 70mm, 80mm, 105mm;
 
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