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Well thinking I'd buy a mirrorless to go with my trusty DSLR's.
Something compact and bijou that I wouldn't get RSI carrying around.
Great I think, can go 2nd hand and get bit of bang for the buck.
No pesky shutter count to take into the equation.
WRONG
I honestly didn't know they had mechanical shutters.
First time I've even considered a mirrorless.
Yes no clunky mirror, but a shutter!!
They don't give mirror count but shutter count.
Have I been naive?
I think I know the answer to that but happy to be scoffed at.
 
bish789 said:
Well thinking I'd buy a mirrorless to go with my trusty DSLR's.
Something compact and bijou that I wouldn't get RSI carrying around.
Great I think, can go 2nd hand and get bit of bang for the buck.
No pesky shutter count to take into the equation.
WRONG
I honestly didn't know they had mechanical shutters.
First time I've even considered a mirrorless.
Yes no clunky mirror, but a shutter!!
They don't give mirror count but shutter count.
Have I been naive?
I think I know the answer to that but happy to be scoffed at.
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The vast majority of Mirrorless don't have a shutter. A few do yes, mine has one but also the option to not use it which I never have.
Best of both worlds as there are downsides to an electronic shutter.
 
Perhaps if you said specifically which make & model you are thinking of getting might inform any feedback?

FWIW my Olympus mft bodies has both a mechanical & electronic shutter but my TG-6 compact is purely electronic.

Or have I misunderstood your question & dilemma???
 
Not a dilemma but more about lack of knowledge on mirrorless.
I have canon DSLR's so was going to buy an EOS M3 local to me for a good price and an adapter so I could use my existing lenses, or there's a Sony A6000 that's caught my eye and I can use an adapter for that as well.
I know there's a lot of hangups about shutter counts buying second hand and probably been swayed by that.
Even MPB quote shutter counts on DSLR's so they know it's a factor when people are buying.
 
bish789 said:
Not a dilemma but more about lack of knowledge on mirrorless.
I have canon DSLR's so was going to buy an EOS M3 local to me for a good price and an adapter so I could use my existing lenses, or there's a Sony A6000 that's caught my eye and I can use an adapter for that as well.
I know there's a lot of hangups about shutter counts buying second hand and probably been swayed by that.
Even MPB quote shutter counts on DSLR's so they know it's a factor when people are buying.
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Your original post reads like you already bought a camera and found its mechanical only? I am a bit confused now..
 
No, not bought, just research before i buy one (or not)
Hopefully this post will clear up confusion.
 
Just a quick note on electronic shutters, they can cause a couple of issues. They can cause banding under flickering artificial lighting and they can cause a rolling shutter effect with faster moving things. Rolling shutter isn't an issue for me as I don't tend to take pictures of fast moving things but banding under artificial lighting is an issue that affects me.

Electronic shutters can be great, for example when you want to shoot silently but I don't think they're suitable for all occasions, you need to think about the possible implications and that goes for mechanical shutters too.
 
robj20 said:
The vast majority of Mirrorless don't have a shutter. A few do yes, mine has one but also the option to not use it which I never have.
Best of both worlds as there are downsides to an electronic shutter.
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If you consider point & shoot cameras to be mirrorless this might be true, but mirrorless is the term the industry has picked for non reflex interchangeable lens digital cameras & practically all of the have shutters, even if they can also use electronic shutters.

However I've never been too concerned by shutter counts - with a typical used camera a few tens of thousands of shots may have been taken, while the average life of the shutter is typically hundreds of thousands. Usually plenty of life left.
 
bish789 said:
No pesky shutter count to take into the equation.
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It's all a bit complicated in terms of variations as well.

Some of the earlier mirrorrless would close the shutter at the start of the exposure - then re-open it to expose - and then close it again to allow the captured image to be read - and then open again.

Then there is electronic first shutter. So shutter is left open - at start of exposure and then close to capture image and then re-open.

And then presumably what you were expecting - full electronic shutter.

Then there is the issue of video and IBIS - a camera with IBIS can be electronically active in video mode for long periods of time with the IBIS active - but have a low shutter count. Whereas a camera with a high shutter count may have an IBIS system that has been active for only a fraction of the time.
 
At the moment. ALL conventional interchangeable lens cameras have an electro-mechanical shutter. There are problems reading off a sensor at shorter exposure times, especially if the subject is moving.
 
So I'll just bite the bullet then.
Size convenience is too tempting.
Now just to decide which one of the two I go with.
Decisions decisions
 
I suppose the real issue anyway with shutter count is indeed the mirror rather than the shutter. High shutter punt cameras tend to have the mirror ox replaced, there are cameras and lenses over 100 years old still using their original shutters.

But as a Canon user already, it’s a no- brainer to buy the Canon mirrorless, it’ll work with all your lenses, and you can get some smaller lighter m lenses later to help with travelling.
 
bish789 said:
So I'll just bite the bullet then.
Size convenience is too tempting.
Now just to decide which one of the two I go with.
Decisions decisions
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There’s a lively, low shutter count M5 in the classifieds ;)
 
That is cheap
Thanks for letting me know
Might still be there when I'm out of the sin bin.
 
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Not sure I'd go for a Canon M though, given Canon have just announced the R10 and some APSC R glass, and the EF-R adapter lets you use your existing Canon glass (albeit that means you don't get the benefit of reduced weight and size).
 
LC2 said:
Not sure I'd go for a Canon M though, given Canon have just announced the R10 and some APSC R glass, and the EF-R adapter lets you use your existing Canon glass (albeit that means you don't get the benefit of reduced weight and size).
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Too late Tim, picked an M5 up this morning and love it, up to now that is
 
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