Are Tripods Dead Now Too?

Surely it's just horses for courses?

We all have our own interests and specialities. My own type of photography is very much in the "measure twice, cut once" category and I absolutely rely on a tripod, because the very first thing I do with nearly every shot is to make a decision about camera placement/position/angle, and the use of a tripod is essential for that.

I feel that one of the reasons why a lot of people don't use tripods is that most of them are very badly-designed, fiddly to use and incapable of providing a really stable, shake-free camera platform - which is probably why I have quite a range of different ones. The best of the lot is my ancient Manfrotto, which looks like a set of scaffolding, and has an enormous range of adjustment - but I can only just about lift it:(
It's like many things in modern photography, IBIS has just expanded our choices. As I posted earlier I see a tripod as a compositional tool, plus other practical aspects of being able to do other things (like holding a reflector or looking directly at the subject) knowing the camera is "fixed" where I want it. It's not just about avoiding camera shake.

But in terms of sharpness, IBIS allows more consistent "shake free shots" for the occasions when a tripod wouldn't be practical. Within the limits of choosing shutter speeds needed to stop subject movement when IBIS becomes less relevant.

Having said that, with long lenses, a handheld IBIS steadied camera makes it easier to keep focus and framing on a distant subject, even when using shutter speeds high enough for IBIS to be ineffective at the time of exposure.
 
For most photography like street and portrait theres now no need for a tripod unless youre doing long exposures. Even in landscapes I often shoot handheld now, unless light is very low. My single biggest use of a tripod however is for focus stacking in landscape photography. I enjoy wide angle landscapes, getting close to a foreground. Its just not possible (with my Fuji anyway) to do this accurately handheld.

I think you would look weird doing things like street photography with a tripod.
 
Surely it's just horses for courses?

We all have our own interests and specialities. My own type of photography is very much in the "measure twice, cut once" category and I absolutely rely on a tripod, because the very first thing I do with nearly every shot is to make a decision about camera placement/position/angle, and the use of a tripod is essential for that.

I feel that one of the reasons why a lot of people don't use tripods is that most of them are very badly-designed, fiddly to use and incapable of providing a really stable, shake-free camera platform - which is probably why I have quite a range of different ones. The best of the lot is my ancient Manfrotto, which looks like a set of scaffolding, and has an enormous range of adjustment - but I can only just about lift it:(
Like most equipment with this hobby / interest / professionalisms the cost is enormous for gear.
I have look at some lovely tripods only to notice a price tag at over £500 !
Then if we factor in a head as well then thats another area of potential expense. So really it comes down to to wallet size, and what do you really need from a tripod for style of shooting.

For me I rarely use my tripod, and when I do its is for hind shoots, or photographing the moon, or landscape
 
Like most equipment with this hobby / interest / professionalisms the cost is enormous for gear.
I have look at some lovely tripods only to notice a price tag at over £500 !
Then if we factor in a head as well then thats another area of potential expense. So really it comes down to to wallet size, and what do you really need from a tripod for style of shooting.

For me I rarely use my tripod, and when I do its is for hind shoots, or photographing the moon, or landscape
I agree that tripod prices can be very high, especially for the carbon fibre variety. One supplier annoys me by claiming that their Chinese-made ones are actually made in England, but there's no need to buy new.
 
I agree that tripod prices can be very high, especially for the carbon fibre variety. One supplier annoys me by claiming that their Chinese-made ones are actually made in England, but there's no need to buy new.
Which make is that one ! ?

I like the look of the 3 leggy thing,...however the price is bl**dy high !
 
I hope tripods are not dead, I've got loads of the blighters..... ;)
Being serious, the IS does reduce the number of times they are needed I suspect. That said for some supjects they'll still have a place. Long lens maybe, and for me long exposures. Gone are the days I could hand hold a 4 or 6 second exposure (before IS) Now I'd struggle with a second on two. So for me they are not dead.
But it's up to the individual, a lot will depend on what you shoot and how high an ISO you can live with.
 
I find a tripod with a geared head is absolutely essential for photographing small and medium sized museum artefacts. I do some handheld shots occasionally using flash as I don't have any lenses with image stabilisation. Even if I did I prefer the tripod for accurate framing.
 
...but there's no need to buy new.
I agree.

I have several tripods but the only new part on any of them is a Manfrotto 405 geared head, which I got at a very good discount. Everything else was bought second hand, on the principle that there's very little to go wrong on any tripod that can't be fixed with basic tools.
 
Thankfully I learnt quite early to buy a half decent tripod and head when the plastic head with camera attached snapped off the lightweight aluminium legs in my hand. :jawdrop: Luckily I had a firm grip of it.

My tripods and heads have been in the £150 range. I think I currently have four, and a monopod! Another cheap plastic and aluminium one someone gave me, which I don't want to pass on because it is so poor, but also don't want to throw away. It may come in useful at some point. Two Manfrotto tripods, a large one, and medium sized one I travel with, and a tripod I had to buy on holiday because I'd left the tripod I took with me on a boat. :rolleyes: :LOL:

The monopod has been a complete waste of money. :headbang:
 
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Something turned the phrase "second hand" into a link.

Is this something done by the site? (Provided the site is getting something from it, I've no objection).
The links are done by TP, they can help towards running costs if people use them to buy through.

 
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The links are done by TP, they can help towards running costs if people use them to buy through.
That's good. I hadn't noticed it before.
 
I have 5 or 6 tripods, but the two Slik 212 Pro tripods are the most stable and have the most features, so I tend to grab one of them first when I need to use one. But they are heavy at about 5.5 lbs each. Still, I'll take them on most field shoots, since they are my favorites, I'll lug them around to distant shoots in spite of their weight.

But about 5 years ago I found and bought an old and very well used 6' tall camera stand that is counter weighted to roughly the weight of a full frame camera, has wheel locks, and though it's quite old, it has become my preferred camera support when in my studio. This was made by Regalite, a long out of business company, but they seem to have made some solid photo gear in their day. I re-built this camera stand and re-painted it's painted parts, installed new wheels and I now use it with a 3 axis micro adjust K&E head most of the time for doing still life, product photography, etc. It is very stable, and it takes up way less floor space than a tripod, with no long legs to trip over. My studio shooting room is only 19.5 X 26' with an 8' ceiling. It was what I had available, so I make do within these limits.

I have built this studio with safety in mind from the beginning. Every light, be it on a light stand or the ceiling lighting support grid can be remotely powered on and off via a wireless transmitter located on each camera stand. The cameras have Godox X Pro II remotes, so light selection and power is wirelessly controlled from the camera. I've even added a wireless control for the "Work Light", the original centered ceiling light and can be controlled remotely from either camera stand, the toolbox on wheels where I set my camera during a shoot when the camera is not on the camera stand, at the computer location, or at the original switch position next to the entrance door. Occasionally I need to turn off this work light for a shot that requires a very low F-Stop setting on the camera, so these switches let me turn off the work light for the shot, and then back on without the need to move around in the dark. A few months after finding this first camera stand, I found a near identical one made by the same company, so I bought and re-built that one as well, and I now use this 2nd one with my video cameras. The counter weight makes camera movements up and down much smoother and a lock at the handle lets me lock the camera at any desired height. It's also very stationary when it needs to be, like when stacking shots in Post to achieve longer depth of focus, or doing multi layer photo editing. . I still use tripods, but no longer use them in my studio, except for one, a Velbon that frequently gets used to support my smoke machine. I modified the smoke machine, adding a piece of 12 mm Baltic Birch Plywood to it's base, and inserted a 3/8-16 brass thread insert at the balance point, which is almost in it's center, for attaching to the tripod. This plywood is attached to the smoke machine using the same positions that held the rubber feet to it's base. I have now added the rubber feet to the plywood so I can place the smoke machine on a flat surface like a table or the floor, should I not want to use the tripod.

I have incorporated many safety features in my studio as well as the remote lighting controls. I built a ceiling lighting support grid from 10' lengths of steel angle, supported at each end via weld attached 4" long steel pipe nipples, which have a piece of hardware called a "Floor Flange. These make it easy to attach to the ceiling via screws or anchors. I positioned these 10' long angles about 4 ft apart and running parallel with my 10' wide backdrops. I can bridge 5' lengths of this same angle across the top of any two of these 10' angles, to allow me to hang lights, or anything else anywhere in my shooting space. I use what is called "Electricians Beam Clamps, a small cast piece that resembles a C - clamp in shape Each has a bolt that can be tightened to the edge of a steel angle of building beam and they have two threaded holes in them of either 1/4-20 or 3/8-16 threads for easily attaching photography hardware, like a spigot (the piece on the top end of a tripod light stand), or a cold shoe, or an upside down light stand (I modified my tripod light stands by adding a piece of dowel rod to the bottom end of the light stand center column, then drilled a center hole in the dowel and threaded a 2" long "hanger Bolt" ( a headless bolt with wood thread on one end and either 1/4-20 or 3/8/16 thread on the other). Doing this allows me to attach one of my tripods "upside down" to one of the Beam Clamps, which then attaches to one of the steel angles that make up the ceiling grid. I can then adjust the attached light up and down on the tripod to any height desired. The studio strobes work fine upside down. For stability I sometimes extend the tripod legs up until they touch the ceiling, giving me considerably more stability of the attached light. Mains Power for the light comes from the power strips on the ceiling with the power cord running along the ceiling grid. I use short "Ball Bungee" cords to attach the power cables to the grid and make it all neat and tidy.
The closest angle to my backdrop system is about 5" from the backdrop. I frequently use this angle with A Clamps to hold temporary backdrops, but the backdrop system holds six ten ft long backdrops on rollers that are motor powered and also controlled via a wireless transmitter that's also located on each camera stand.

Power for the lights usually comes from Wiremold electric outlet strips that I've installed on the ceiling at both ends 90 degrees to the 10' long steel angles. Each has mains power at outlets every 6" from the backdrops all the way to behind the usual camera location. So mains power is available within 5' of anywhere that I want to place a light, be it studio strobe, constant light, etc. Since lights on stands are usually left and right of the camera, power for these lights usually comes from these ceiling Mains outlets too. All of this minimizes the cables on the floor and even the number of light stands on the floor too. This is a major safety improvement for my studio, and I need to worry far less that anyone, or even me will trip over tripod legs or power cables. Even my tether cable runs from my computer up to this ceiling grid and then drops down in roughly my normal shooting position to my camera. There is enough slack to allow free camera movement around the usual camera half of the studio and if the tether cable does touch the floor, it is for such a short distance that it is not likely to ever be a trip hazard.

If anyone wants to know more about any of this, please ask here, or PM me. I will be happy to help and honored that you like my ideas for making your studio as safe as mine.

Charley
 
But about 5 years ago I found and bought an old and very well used 6' tall camera stand that is counter weighted to roughly the weight of a full frame camera, has wheel locks, and though it's quite old, it has become my preferred camera support when in my studio. This was made by Regalite, a long out of business company, but they seem to have made some solid photo gear in their day. I re-built this camera stand and re-painted it's painted parts, installed new wheels and I now use it with a 3 axis micro adjust K&E head most of the time for doing still life, product photography, etc. It is very stable, and it takes up way less floor space than a tripod, with no long legs to trip over. My studio shooting room is only 19.5 X 26' with an 8' ceiling. It was what I had available, so I make do within these limits.
:agree:
I had, and sort of still do have, a studio stand. Different make but basically the same. Mine was originally 14' tall but sadly I had to cut it down to 10' when I moved to a studio with a lower ceiling.

It's quite heavy-duty, fine for all cameras up to my 10" x 8". I remember that it took 4 of us to carry it up a flight of stairs:)

Very, very fast height adjustment, because basically the tilt/pan/quick release mechanism simply slides up and down a very large tube, which has a counterbalance weight inside. As Charley pointed out, it's safety as well as stability, convenience and speed, much better/easier/safer especially when standing on a stepladder, no leaning required.

I no longer have a studio, it's been in a corner of the Lencarta warehouse for the last 10 years or so, I really ought to sell it but have never got around to it.
 
For any work with film I keep a tripod with me. Well, these days I do, as the MF cameras have a bit of bulk. I do't find it to be a problem, although it is of course nice to have the freedom of going hand-held.

One note, though: one of the benefits expressed to me about IBIS, and about the higher resolution of sensors available now was that it allow for more violent cropping. This, to me, is a dubious advantage, and that level of cropping actually intrdouces a forced level of pixel-peeping which demands greater clarity and resolution - i.e. in a way you are immediately offsetting those advantages.

I find it funny to see some of the videos touting macro or tele lenses - prtiularly for smartphones. Those simulations which show the device being used to achieve close-ups of the bead of sweat on an aphid's eyeball and suchlike. They're always freehand. Sheesh, any closeup work at all defeats me unless I have a tripod.
 
Surely it's just horses for courses?

We all have our own interests and specialities. My own type of photography is very much in the "measure twice, cut once" category and I absolutely rely on a tripod, because the very first thing I do with nearly every shot is to make a decision about camera placement/position/angle, and the use of a tripod is essential for that.

I feel that one of the reasons why a lot of people don't use tripods is that most of them are very badly-designed, fiddly to use and incapable of providing a really stable, shake-free camera platform - which is probably why I have quite a range of different ones. The best of the lot is my ancient Manfrotto, which looks like a set of scaffolding, and has an enormous range of adjustment - but I can only just about lift it:(

I'd like to try a studio salon stand but I don't do enough product work to justify it.

For shooting dance shows I've got a FrankenGimbal - solid tripod, gimbal, extra long nodal rail & L bracket. Soon to be upgraded to a T bar with a gimbal at either end.
 
I have 5 or 6 tripods, but the two Slik 212 Pro tripods are the most stable and have the most features, so I tend to grab one of them first when I need to use one. But they are heavy at about 5.5 lbs each. Still, I'll take them on most field shoots, since they are my favorites, I'll lug them around to distant shoots in spite of their weight.

But about 5 years ago I found and bought an old and very well used 6' tall camera stand that is counter weighted to roughly the weight of a full frame camera, has wheel locks, and though it's quite old, it has become my preferred camera support when in my studio. This was made by Regalite, a long out of business company, but they seem to have made some solid photo gear in their day. I re-built this camera stand and re-painted it's painted parts, installed new wheels and I now use it with a 3 axis micro adjust K&E head most of the time for doing still life, product photography, etc. It is very stable, and it takes up way less floor space than a tripod, with no long legs to trip over. My studio shooting room is only 19.5 X 26' with an 8' ceiling. It was what I had available, so I make do within these limits.

I have built this studio with safety in mind from the beginning. Every light, be it on a light stand or the ceiling lighting support grid can be remotely powered on and off via a wireless transmitter located on each camera stand. The cameras have Godox X Pro II remotes, so light selection and power is wirelessly controlled from the camera. I've even added a wireless control for the "Work Light", the original centered ceiling light and can be controlled remotely from either camera stand, the toolbox on wheels where I set my camera during a shoot when the camera is not on the camera stand, at the computer location, or at the original switch position next to the entrance door. Occasionally I need to turn off this work light for a shot that requires a very low F-Stop setting on the camera, so these switches let me turn off the work light for the shot, and then back on without the need to move around in the dark. A few months after finding this first camera stand, I found a near identical one made by the same company, so I bought and re-built that one as well, and I now use this 2nd one with my video cameras. The counter weight makes camera movements up and down much smoother and a lock at the handle lets me lock the camera at any desired height. It's also very stationary when it needs to be, like when stacking shots in Post to achieve longer depth of focus, or doing multi layer photo editing. . I still use tripods, but no longer use them in my studio, except for one, a Velbon that frequently gets used to support my smoke machine. I modified the smoke machine, adding a piece of 12 mm Baltic Birch Plywood to it's base, and inserted a 3/8-16 brass thread insert at the balance point, which is almost in it's center, for attaching to the tripod. This plywood is attached to the smoke machine using the same positions that held the rubber feet to it's base. I have now added the rubber feet to the plywood so I can place the smoke machine on a flat surface like a table or the floor, should I not want to use the tripod.

I have incorporated many safety features in my studio as well as the remote lighting controls. I built a ceiling lighting support grid from 10' lengths of steel angle, supported at each end via weld attached 4" long steel pipe nipples, which have a piece of hardware called a "Floor Flange. These make it easy to attach to the ceiling via screws or anchors. I positioned these 10' long angles about 4 ft apart and running parallel with my 10' wide backdrops. I can bridge 5' lengths of this same angle across the top of any two of these 10' angles, to allow me to hang lights, or anything else anywhere in my shooting space. I use what is called "Electricians Beam Clamps, a small cast piece that resembles a C - clamp in shape Each has a bolt that can be tightened to the edge of a steel angle of building beam and they have two threaded holes in them of either 1/4-20 or 3/8-16 threads for easily attaching photography hardware, like a spigot (the piece on the top end of a tripod light stand), or a cold shoe, or an upside down light stand (I modified my tripod light stands by adding a piece of dowel rod to the bottom end of the light stand center column, then drilled a center hole in the dowel and threaded a 2" long "hanger Bolt" ( a headless bolt with wood thread on one end and either 1/4-20 or 3/8/16 thread on the other). Doing this allows me to attach one of my tripods "upside down" to one of the Beam Clamps, which then attaches to one of the steel angles that make up the ceiling grid. I can then adjust the attached light up and down on the tripod to any height desired. The studio strobes work fine upside down. For stability I sometimes extend the tripod legs up until they touch the ceiling, giving me considerably more stability of the attached light. Mains Power for the light comes from the power strips on the ceiling with the power cord running along the ceiling grid. I use short "Ball Bungee" cords to attach the power cables to the grid and make it all neat and tidy.
The closest angle to my backdrop system is about 5" from the backdrop. I frequently use this angle with A Clamps to hold temporary backdrops, but the backdrop system holds six ten ft long backdrops on rollers that are motor powered and also controlled via a wireless transmitter that's also located on each camera stand.

Power for the lights usually comes from Wiremold electric outlet strips that I've installed on the ceiling at both ends 90 degrees to the 10' long steel angles. Each has mains power at outlets every 6" from the backdrops all the way to behind the usual camera location. So mains power is available within 5' of anywhere that I want to place a light, be it studio strobe, constant light, etc. Since lights on stands are usually left and right of the camera, power for these lights usually comes from these ceiling Mains outlets too. All of this minimizes the cables on the floor and even the number of light stands on the floor too. This is a major safety improvement for my studio, and I need to worry far less that anyone, or even me will trip over tripod legs or power cables. Even my tether cable runs from my computer up to this ceiling grid and then drops down in roughly my normal shooting position to my camera. There is enough slack to allow free camera movement around the usual camera half of the studio and if the tether cable does touch the floor, it is for such a short distance that it is not likely to ever be a trip hazard.

If anyone wants to know more about any of this, please ask here, or PM me. I will be happy to help and honored that you like my ideas for making your studio as safe as mine.

Charley
Wow,..what a set up !
 
I'm using my tripod far less now. It was very easy earlier this year to put my OM1/100-400 zoom on the tripod and focus on the distant red kite nest, for example, waiting for the bird to come in. I was obsessively checking for correct focus every few seconds! But on my last foreign trip I left it home and was using an ND filter and long exposures of up to 3.2 seconds hand held. Some were perfectly in focus but most weren't and I had to use Topaz Photo AI to sharpen them mostly successfully. (That's how desperate i was......)

I must say that built-in IS and noise reduction and sharpening software have made life a lot easier when you want to travel light!
 
I have reduced number of wife's outfits and shoes so I can fit my Manfrotto 055 PROB tripod in the suitcase, its that important. :)
 
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For many years I’ve never have gone out without a tripod. I could hand hold the likes of the 200-400 f4 for very long and still get sharp photos.

Since moving to the z8 and much lighter 400 f4.5 I’ve not gone out with a tripod once. I have started to reuse a beanbag with an attached arcs Swiss clamp so I can get ground level photos. It’s just easier to get the camera low and use the rear screen without putting it directly into the mud. IBIS on the z8 continues to amaze me.

For landscapes I still take out a tripod, mainly because it makes me slow down and think about the shot.
 
Surely it's just horses for courses?

We all have our own interests and specialities. My own type of photography is very much in the "measure twice, cut once" category and I absolutely rely on a tripod, because the very first thing I do with nearly every shot is to make a decision about camera placement/position/angle, and the use of a tripod is essential for that.

I feel that one of the reasons why a lot of people don't use tripods is that most of them are very badly-designed, fiddly to use and incapable of providing a really stable, shake-free camera platform - which is probably why I have quite a range of different ones. The best of the lot is my ancient Manfrotto, which looks like a set of scaffolding, and has an enormous range of adjustment - but I can only just about lift it:(
reminds me of my big Benbo Mk1 - a gym training course was required before you tried to take it anywhere, but if you want rock steady and the ability to take an image anywhere - thats the beast for it - I recall Heather Angel had one stood on a bridge over a river, extended the legs full length into the river and took a shot of the river, the lower half of the legs slide over the top half so the bottom length is fully waterproof.
 
Still using my Benbo, although I wouldn't take it on a walk. ;)
 
I love a good tripod, always have. I bought a large Manfrotto 074 model off ebay for ten pounds. It was in really poor condtion. It seemed that someone had tried to use it as a video tripod.
To help smooth the movements all the bearing surfaces had been coated with grease. Later use for still work (it would seem) required the motions to be locked up. Because the grease hindered this the shafts of the handles (which are rotated to lock the movements) were scarred from the application of large pliers or mole grips.
With the grease removed, an email to the Manfrotto office at Milton Keynes produced a parts list and I was able to buy replacement bushes for the bearings.
A quick skim in the lathe resurfaced the shafts and a coat of Humrol enamel made them look superb.
I have been using this tripod for over 20 years now. It is great and I still bless my ten pound tripod.
 
I purchased a travel Slik tripod many years ago, and even though I have a more beefier tripod ( it even has a built in Monopod feature). The Slik is my go to tripod as it just works very well, and I can unscrew the centre column to get the tripod really low, and it can go to a reasonable height for other work.
Down side is when I put the sigma 150-600C on it the tripod takes a while to stop moving. So a 10 second shutter timer is juts about the time needed for it to settle down.

I have even used my tripods as light / flash stands when I am outside, and need a stable platform ie windy or uneven ground.
Plus they both have carry cases, and my light stands do not !
 
I tried the R5ii one night last week, just a little walk aound a nearby village. I had a stabilised lens on as well as the in body IS. I did manage some pretty sharp shots, handheld, at night and just about got to 1 second before shake started to show. Quite impressive.

Would they have been sharper with a tripod? Probably.

There is something about handheld photography though, I'm really enjoying trying it out.

On Sunday evening, I was at the coast, this time with the R7, which has IBIS but I didn't really have a newer landscape lens with me, just an old Sigma 17-70, the Mk1, so quite an old lens. I had to use the tripod, as I don't think the IBIS was enough on its own in that light, for over 1 second exposures at times.
 
I tried the R5ii one night last week, just a little walk aound a nearby village. I had a stabilised lens on as well as the in body IS. I did manage some pretty sharp shots, handheld, at night and just about got to 1 second before shake started to show. Quite impressive.

Would they have been sharper with a tripod? Probably.

There is something about handheld photography though, I'm really enjoying trying it out.

On Sunday evening, I was at the coast, this time with the R7, which has IBIS but I didn't really have a newer landscape lens with me, just an old Sigma 17-70, the Mk1, so quite an old lens. I had to use the tripod, as I don't think the IBIS was enough on its own in that light, for over 1 second exposures at times.
I have an R7, and the sigma 17-70 the newer version which is a cracking lens with sigma OSS.
Sigma recommend the 18-50 f2.8 as the best walk around lens for the R7 which I have. It is a very sharp lens, though no OSS though !
 
Not sure if it has been mentioned, but tripods are good for a consistent framing - e.g. for groups of people and swapping a head in post.
 
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I have reduced number of wife's outfits and shoes so I can fit my Manfrotto 055 PROB tripod in the suitcase, its that important. :)


I bought a relatively compact tripod to take away and leave it in the same case as our snorkelling kit at our usual hotel!
 
I use one of the insta360 pole tripods when I can't be bothered with a bigger one. They take up no room and weigh next to nothing.

They're quite stable on their lowest setting, even with my Lumix S5ii and a 300mm lens. They still offer a degree of extra stability (whilst held) at the highest, but I wouldn't leave a camera on there without also holding it.

I bought a cheap small Arca ball head for it so I can use it with the camera.
 
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