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Those are actually very good,pumpkins hadn't been invented when I wer a lad
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I wasn't aware that begging with menaces had been going that long?
Nice work there Dale
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Absolutely hate this `trick or treat` rubbish. (n) It should be banned!
Why the hell do we have to follow the Yanks in most things? (bacefook generation?) Pathetic
(excellent carving though, Dale.)
Sorry to disappoint you, but trick or treating began on this side of the pond.
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Did it? When?
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I'm talking about the modern day trick or treat, not hallow'een per say. It simply wasn't done when we were kids, although in our area (according to parents/g/parents) there was an old custom called `Mumming` where kids would knock on your door & if invited in would ceremonially/pretend to dust & sweep. I think it was to sweep out the bad spirits.
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But modern day trick or treating does stem from that carried out in the middle ages.
I guess the yanks made it the "Hallmark" holiday it is though.
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Semantics....grumpy arse
Bah humbug! (n) :meh: :indifferent:
Oh hang on, that's a couple of months away yet.
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Bah humbug! (n) :meh: :indifferent:
Oh hang on, that's a couple of months away yet.
Now I'm with you on the whole Bah Humbug thing!
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On trick or treating, we had a kid jump out on us last night trying to scare us and THEN expected a treat, having given us a 'trick'. 
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Some useless information I found the other day.
Samhain, which is an Irish Celtic festival, inspired Halloween. It celebrates the end of the harvest season.
The tradition spread to the rest of the world after the Irish fled Ireland because of the potato famine.
Jack-o’-lanterns started in Ireland, too. Candles were placed inside of hallowed-out-turnips to keep away evil spirits on Samhain.
Halloween only precedes Christmas as the highest grossing commercial holiday.
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From at least the 16th century,the festival included mumming and guising in Ireland, Scotland, the Isle of Man and Wales
This involved people going house-to-house in costume (or in disguise), usually reciting verses or songs in exchange for food
So there we have it, I blame the Irish & the Scots
North American almanacs of the late 18th and early 19th century give no indication that Halloween was widely celebrated there.
It was not until mass Irish and Scottish immigration in the 19th century that Halloween became a major holiday in America.
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Aye, I've just had a quick look. (something I've not really done previously)
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Despite the concept of trick or treating originating in Britain and Ireland in the form of souling and guising, the use of the term 'trick or treat' at the doors of home owners was not common until the 1980s. Guising is devoid of any jocular threat,[43] and according to one BBC journalist, in the 1980s it was still often viewed as an exotic and not particularly welcome import, with the BBC referring to it as "the Japanese knotweed of festivals" and "making demands with menaces".
Although it is unknown precisely where and when the phrase “trick or treat” was coined, the custom had been firmly established in American popular culture by 1951, when trick-or-treating was depicted in the Peanuts comic strip. In 1952, Disney produced a cartoon called “Trick or Treat” featuring Donald Duck and his nephews Huey, Dewey and Louie.
I still blame the yanks!
Trick or treating has since spread to parts of the U.K., beginning around the 1980s. Although, this adapted form of guising has met with a lot of resistance in the last few decades since hopping the pond, often seen by the older generations as “yet another unwanted consumerist culture import from the United States.” In fact, even as recently as 2006, according to Norwhich Union Insurance, nearly 58% of homeowners in Britain turn off their house lights and pretend no one is at home on Halloween. One British man went so far as to say about trick or treaters, “I’ve thought about removing the cover from my doorbell so they electrocute themselves.”
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Despite the concept of trick or treating originating in Britain and Ireland in the form of souling and guising, the use of the term 'trick or treat' at the doors of home owners was not common until the 1980s. Guising is devoid of any jocular threat,[43] and according to one BBC journalist, in the 1980s it was still often viewed as an exotic and not particularly welcome import, with the BBC referring to it as "the Japanese knotweed of festivals" and "making demands with menaces".
Although it is unknown precisely where and when the phrase “trick or treat” was coined, the custom had been firmly established in American popular culture by 1951, when trick-or-treating was depicted in the Peanuts comic strip. In 1952, Disney produced a cartoon called “Trick or Treat” featuring Donald Duck and his nephews Huey, Dewey and Louie.
I still blame the yanks!
Trick or treating has since spread to parts of the U.K., beginning around the 1980s. Although, this adapted form of guising has met with a lot of resistance in the last few decades since hopping the pond, often seen by the older generations as “yet another unwanted consumerist culture import from the United States.” In fact, even as recently as 2006, according to Norwhich Union Insurance, nearly 58% of homeowners in Britain turn off their house lights and pretend no one is at home on Halloween. One British man went so far as to say about trick or treaters, “I’ve thought about removing the cover from my doorbell so they electrocute themselves.”
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Yeah. And when did the end of term disco become a "Prom" involving stupid big dresses and stretch limos?Absolutely hate this `trick or treat` rubbish. (n) It should be banned!
Why the hell do we have to follow the Yanks in most things? (bacefook generation?) Pathetic
(excellent carving though, Dale.
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Next year, next yearOne British man went so far as to say about trick or treaters, “I’ve thought about removing the cover from my doorbell so they electrocute themselves.”
Disney produced a cartoon called “Trick or Treat” featuring Donald Duck and his nephews Huey, Dewey and Louie.
In that case I blame Walt DisneyI still blame the yanks!
Its known locally as begging with menaces, same thing I guess
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There is a good thing that arises from begging with menaces - since running out of treats could have nasty consequences, it's wise to ensure a plentiful supply of them. If one then makes sure that all outside lights are off and there's no sign of you being in, there's a very good chance that the little buggers will pass your house by, leaving you with a tub of chocolates and maybe a bag of Lidl mini Mars bar equivalents that need to be disposed of without wasting them...
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Years ago, when I used to open the door, I used to ask, "what's the trick"? and they just stood there looking ( even more) gormless.
Just goes to prove its nothing more than begging
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Got to blame the yanks
look what they did to cricket. And rugby.
look what they did to cricket. And rugby.
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Yeah. And when did the end of term disco become a "Prom" involving stupid big dresses and stretch limos?
I can't even remember having an end of term disco!
but yes, why have we taken up the `Prom`. Even junior schools are having them now, ffs!? During the 2000s, school "Proms" have become common at UK schools, apparently due to the influence of US TV shows.
Bloody yanks again.
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Unfortunately, when it comes to the modern Hallowe'en "celebrations", like Christmas it's shoved in one's face far too early whether you like it or not.
Supermarkets were selling themed items at the end of August.
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Mince pies have already been on sale for a few weeks too.
Thing is, it may start out as having fun (although I'm a cynic & not even sure about that tbh) but EVERYTHING seems to get taken over for profit & ultimately the `fun` element becomes secondary.
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Exactly my point.
They've been in Asda since early Sept. (So more than a few weeks).
And in Morrisons. ...they never went away and have been on the shelves all year.
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No 'menaces' round here in the happy north. Just loads of cute kids with their parents knocking on the door scaring me. When we ran out if haribo and lollipops we just switched the decoration lights off and there was no more knocks at the door. Easy.
My nieces loved it too. Apart from the man down the road who answered the door in full Michael Myers get up and scared them rigid!
My nieces loved it too. Apart from the man down the road who answered the door in full Michael Myers get up and scared them rigid!
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I don't mind little kids doing trick or treat, it's really sweet to see them dressed up in their costumes and having fun. It's the older ones I don't like, ones that get quite nasty and destructive if you don't give them a treat. Where I lived before you'd at least get your car egged if you didn't cough up something.
Where I live now we hadn't twigged that you need to put up a sign to say you're happy to have kids calling for trick or treat. Something like a pumpkin or witch mask in the window. We bought bags of sweets and not one kid called!
Where I live now we hadn't twigged that you need to put up a sign to say you're happy to have kids calling for trick or treat. Something like a pumpkin or witch mask in the window. We bought bags of sweets and not one kid called!