An interesting approach to processing B&W images

[garryknight]

I haven't tried this yet but I like the results he gets. He's working in Lightroom and I don't use that program, but I can see how you could save a couple of steps using Adaptive Masking in On1 Photo Raw 2023. The numbers on the sliders are likely to be different in On1 so they would need to be changed by percentage rather than using absolute values.
I'd be interested to see the results of other people's experiments and read any comments you might have.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84cKoPi3lj4

 

[Deleted member 95743]

I haven't tried this yet but I like the results he gets. He's working in Lightroom and I don't use that program, but I can see how you could save a couple of steps using Adaptive Masking in On1 Photo Raw 2023. The numbers on the sliders are likely to be different in On1 so they would need to be changed by percentage rather than using absolute values.
I'd be interested to see the results of other people's experiments and read any comments you might have.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84cKoPi3lj4

I don't see the point of the mask if it is not saved as part of the preset.

 

[saltireblue]

Thanks for sharing, Garry...will try it out.

 

[garryknight]

I don't see the point of the mask if it is not saved as part of the preset.

The mask is only used to limit some of the effects so they apply to the background, not the subject.

In Lightroom, the mask will retain its shape if applied to a new image. So you select the subject (a person, say), invert the mask, and the mask would be saved as the shape of the background with a person-shaped hole in it. If you apply that to the next photo (a car say), the mask won't fit around the subject.

On1 Photo Raw 2023, however, has so-called Adaptive Presets in which if you save the mask it remembers what type of thing the mask was, i.e. in the example in the video, the background, or the subject mask inverted. If you then use the preset on another photo, it recognises the subject (the car) selects that and then inverts the selection to get the correct shaped mask for the car's background, not the person's background. I hope this is clear.

 

[Deleted member 95743]

The mask is only used to limit some of the effects so they apply to the background, not the subject.

In Lightroom, the mask will retain its shape if applied to a new image. So you select the subject (a person, say), invert the mask, and the mask would be saved as the shape of the background with a person-shaped hole in it. If you apply that to the next photo (a car say), the mask won't fit around the subject.

On1 Photo Raw 2023, however, has so-called Adaptive Presets in which if you save the mask it remembers what type of thing the mask was, i.e. in the example in the video, the background, or the subject mask inverted. If you then use the preset on another photo, it recognises the subject (the car) selects that and then inverts the selection to get the correct shaped mask for the car's background, not the person's background. I hope this is clear.

Presets that use select subject masks in Lightroom adapt to the subject in the image regardless of whatever subject was used to create the mask in the first place.
I created two separate presets, one that included the mask, and one that didn’t.
I created the preset using an image of a car. I then applied the preset to an image of a horse. The horse was masked as I expected it to be.

 

[G.K.Jnr.]

I haven't tried this yet but I like the results he gets. He's working in Lightroom and I don't use that program, but I can see how you could save a couple of steps using Adaptive Masking in On1 Photo Raw 2023. The numbers on the sliders are likely to be different in On1 so they would need to be changed by percentage rather than using absolute values.
I'd be interested to see the results of other people's experiments and read any comments you might have.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84cKoPi3lj4

Many thanks for posting that Garry, being predominately a mono worker I'm naturally interested, so will give it a serious look as soon as I can.

 

[garryknight]

Presets that use select subject masks in Lightroom adapt to the subject in the image regardless of whatever subject was used to create the mask in the first place.
I created two separate presets, one that included the mask, and one that didn’t.
I created the preset using an image of a car. I then applied the preset to an image of a horse. The horse was masked as I expected it to be.

OK, thanks. LR has progressed a lot since I last used it. Mind you, that was version 4. So I have no idea why he didn't save the mask.

 

[RedRobin]

I haven't tried this yet but I like the results he gets. He's working in Lightroom and I don't use that program, but I can see how you could save a couple of steps using Adaptive Masking in On1 Photo Raw 2023. The numbers on the sliders are likely to be different in On1 so they would need to be changed by percentage rather than using absolute values.
I'd be interested to see the results of other people's experiments and read any comments you might have.

.... Hello Garry, I have been using ON1 since it was only a set of Effects plug-ins but ON1 2023 really is now a serious rival to the other major RAW editors and is far more advanced in exploiting the advantages of Artificial Intelligence to the workflow. I have now given up using Capture One 22 which I liked and was using ON1 as an 'extended' editor / finisher.

I haven't tried creating any AI Adaptive Presets in ON1 2023 yet but found and watched this video only last night :

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zifPd9enauM

Also I really like the Super Tool AI to automatically create masks instead of tedious layers and brushing (which I never used to be bothered to faff around doing).

ADDENDUM : I am loving your Flickr pages! I'm finding it difficult not to hit every single image with a Like! I also love your titles for each. But that Lime Bicycle is a bit of a rash and until I read "disease" I didn't understand why it kept appearing.

 

[Musicman]

I haven't tried this yet but I like the results he gets. He's working in Lightroom and I don't use that program, but I can see how you could save a couple of steps using Adaptive Masking in On1 Photo Raw 2023. The numbers on the sliders are likely to be different in On1 so they would need to be changed by percentage rather than using absolute values.
I'd be interested to see the results of other people's experiments and read any comments you might have.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84cKoPi3lj4

I had watched that a week or two ago and I was left rather nonplussed.

The default greyscale conversion is flat, yes, but there is nothing he is doing using the desaturation and luminance in the HSL panel that could not have been done directly with luminance levels in a regular black and white conversion. That was the only novelty and essentially, it just picked out the green channel for a boost in a roundabout way and controlled its effect by mucking about with the white balance.

Everything else is a stylistic choice governed by underexposing the image and then selectively recovering middle and bright tones.

I never touch the contrast slider in my b/w conversions in Lightroom either. Channel Mixer and curves give far more control.