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Who celebrates July 4th?

I find it to be completely inappropriate, British soldiers died during this conflict and it seems some British folk now celebrate it, its on the news/radio internet. My work went all out to celebrate it once, putting american flag bunting all over the place, they tried to put it going above my head and I flat out refused.

And we dont even celebrate St Georges Day as much, a nation that seems to be ashamed of its heritage.
 
I used to work for a company that had an office in Kansas City. On the phone to them one day,

The conversation went "what are you doing on Independance Day ?", "Nothing", "why not ?" , "WE LOST", big slow thinking pause..."ah... yes".


Makes you wonder some times :bang:
 
I always celebrate July 4th and when I lived stateside it was wonderful to watch everyone setting fireworks off and partying. It had nothing to do with independence day though, but my birthday was always special ;)
 
hepburn said:
I always celebrate July 4th and when I lived stateside it was wonderful to watch everyone setting fireworks off and partying. It had nothing to do with independence day though, but my birthday was always special ;)
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I feel the same about the 14th
 
hepburn said:
I always celebrate July 4th and when I lived stateside it was wonderful to watch everyone setting fireworks off and partying. It had nothing to do with independence day though, but my birthday was always special ;)
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I feel the same about the 20th :D
 
Well I'm American. I always took the 4th off when I worked in England, didn't seem right working for the British on Independence day. While I find it weird that you guys would celebrate it I enjoy it over on this side of the pond. Maybe you guys celebrate it because they saw the way we turned out and are pretty damned happy to have nothing to do with us now!
 
When I lived in the UK, I remember seeing a newscast where a viewer wrote in and asked why the BBC has so many news items about the US. The newscaster looked into the camera and, completely dead pan, said, "We started it all, didn't we?"
 
There are many reasons to celebrate American Independence Day. You could see it as the end of one of the most brutal and bloody periods of human history, the start of one of the worlds superpowers, a celebration of everything that American ingenuity and invention has given us... stuff like that. I hardly find it offensive. I celebrate India's independence too... come to think of it, Britain's not really won much has it ;) Apart from the obvious.

*controversial*
 
i was in San Francisco a few years ago for independance day, it was great


i cant see anything "inapropriate" about celebrating another countries heritage, but i agree that we SHOULD celebrate our own, st Georges day SHOULD be a national holiday where we drink tea, eat strawberries and fish and chips and celebrate colonising half the world then giving it away again!!!!
 
Britain never gave it away, it lost it ;) There's a difference.
 
whitewash said:
............ st Georges day SHOULD be a national holiday where we drink tea, eat strawberries and fish and chips and celebrate colonising half the world then giving it away again!!!!
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Yep we sure as hell should but then "someone" will complain
spencer said:
And I bet you'r favourite film is "Braveheart":lol::lol::lol:
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Yep my kinda film the hero dies :D
Oh sorry if I spoiled the ending
 
spencer said:
Neither has Murray!!:razz:

And I bet you'r favourite film is "Braveheart":lol:

Oh & just remember who kicked Hitlers's A$$, Big time.:woot::woot:

Spence
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The fact that I can spell and use correct grammar is enough comfort for me. :cuckoo::gag:
 
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Here's a link to see who else helped defeat the Nazi war machine during World War 2.

:cuckoo::nono::naughty::nuts::thinking::gag::love::p::woot::bang:
 
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I found this book to be absolutely fantastic.

Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era - by James M. McPherson
 
Lol... any American who tries to claim they helped overthrow Hitler should be ashamed! Unless of course you class turning up after the event as helping...
 
Didn't the Americans storm the beaches of Normandy with the British and several other allied countries? So you're not entirely correct ;)
 
spencer said:
Oh & just remember who kicked Hitlers's A$$, Big time.:woot::woot:

Spence
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Who, America and Russia, we did our best but I think "kicked Hitlers's A$$, Big time" is a bit of an overstatement

without America we'd all be driving BMW and Mercedes cars:bat:
 
foz said:
Who celebrates July 4th?

I find it to be completely inappropriate, British soldiers died during this conflict and it seems some British folk now celebrate it, its on the news/radio internet. My work went all out to celebrate it once, putting american flag bunting all over the place, they tried to put it going above my head and I flat out refused.

And we dont even celebrate St Georges Day as much, a nation that seems to be ashamed of its heritage.
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So you don't celebrate Christmas either then I guess as the darn Christians killed many of the indigenous population.
 
Anyway back on track, I dont think we should celebrate independance day.
The Americans do need to, as I think we may have ******ed them off a bit.:eek:


But I do like the bit where he says "Hellooo boys I'm baaaack":woot::lol::lol:

Spence
 
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neo2810 said:
Lol... any American who tries to claim they helped overthrow Hitler should be ashamed! Unless of course you class turning up after the event as helping...
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The USA officially join the war in 1941, 4 years before the end, which is not after the event. You seem to think helping in the war is all about sending in men to fight on the front. The USA did help with supplies to the UK before they officially sent men to fight, or do you also think the men and women on the home front did not do their bit too.
 
What gets me is they never gave back all that tea they wasted.... frightfully un-British!
 
chuckles said:
What gets me is they never gave back all that tea they wasted.... frightfully un-British!
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Now THAT is fuuny :clap:

Can you imagine what the tree-huggers would make of the Boston Tea Party today? Environmental Impact reports, massive cleanup efforts, pictures of poor seagulls stained brown....:naughty:
 
I just think its not an English holiday, they are celebrating their independeance from Britain, to celebrate that whilst in the same country is a little bit of a **** take isnt it?

Also it wouldnt have mattered when America joined the second world war, russia are the ones that helped the allieds the most, even if they did only have 1 gun to 2 men :D it at least gave the germans something to shoot at.
 
whiteflyer said:
The USA officially join the war in 1941, 4 years before the end, which is not after the event. You seem to think helping in the war is all about sending in men to fight on the front. The USA did help with supplies to the UK before they officially sent men to fight, or do you also think the men and women on the home front did not do their bit too.
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"Officially" joined the war... That's rich...

The American's started fighting only once they saw the Allies were winning. Mind you, the British probably found it easier to fight without US shells dropping on them... :suspect:

Nice of them to toss a few supplies in from a safe distance though. Wouldn't want them to actually get their nice designer gear dirty now... :D

whiteflyer said:
Didn't the Americans storm the beaches of Normandy with the British and several other allied countries? So you're not entirely correct
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Kayjay, true... You got me there. The Americans joined the war a year before it ended after 5 years of UK/Russia fighting... My bad... I guess better late than never.

And let's face it, they also helped seal victory by dropping 2 devastating bombs on millions of innocent people. Bravo, that took guts... :thinking:
 
^^ you sound extremely bitter. I suggest a holiday. But you're first point is still entirely untrue. What's the problem? The Americans were involved before the war ended. What are you so bitter about? I couldn't give a toss about what the Americans did, but frankly without Asian troops fighting the Germans in Africa we'd have lost on that front. And these were Indians fighting for the British while still under colonial rule.

Not only that but the British took the Gurkha warriors after the war ended and still pay them less pension money than British troops.

So while some of the allies may have joined the fight later the Germans would have been victorious had they not joined the fight.
 
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KayJay said:
Not only that but the British took the Gurkha warriors after the war ended and still pay them less pension money than British troops.
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Unfortunately the Ghurka's & soldiers injured on the field of conflict have been dumped on from a great height by this Mr Brown & his cronnies.

And the Ghurkas may fight for this country, but when they finish their service they cannot stay here:shrug:
I think they've earned their right to stay, more so than some of the belingering scroungers that were actually born here.:bang:

Spence
 
spencer said:
Unfortunately the Ghurka's & soldiers injured on the field of conflict have been dumped on from a great height by this Mr Brown & his cronnies.

And the Ghurkas may fight for this country, but when they finish their service they cannot stay here:shrug:
I think they've earned their right to stay, more so than some of the belingering scroungers that were actually born here.:bang:

Spence
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Couldn't agree with you more. Not just about the Gurkha soldiers but all soldiers that have served and/or been injured during service.
 
Not bitter... Just argumentative...

I'm not saying the US did nothing, I'm saying the British and USSR deserve most of the plaudits...
 
As far as I'm concerned every man, woman and child that either fought against the enemy, gave or lost their lives to the cause deserves equal 'plaudits'. I'm only 28 years old so wasn't part of that time in history but to think of that conflict as some sort of competition is pretty disgraceful.

If you want to be argumentative you need to base your argument on fact, not ignorance.
 
Err... and how exactly did you interpret my last post to insinuate that WW2 was a competition???

You're now being curt for the sake of turning a discussion into an argument. Good luck with that, I'll just let you get on with it alone... Discussion over
 
neo2810 said:
Err... and how exactly did you interpret my last post to insinuate that WW2 was a competition???

You're now being curt for the sake of turning a discussion into an argument. Good luck with that, I'll just let you get on with it alone... Discussion over
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Discussion with you is over, but not the rest of the people participating in the thread. Feel free to close the door on the way out, unless you can come back with a solid argument to back up your comments. You're of no great loss to the thread.
 
Also, you should look into the definition of plaudits.
 
That your best shot? Childish... Thought you said you were 28?
 
Best shot at what? What were you expecting? Some sort of offensive comment? Grow up. Didn't take long for you to come back though did it.
 
KayJay said:
Also, you should look into the definition of plaudits.
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Ok, in order to humour you...

"Plaudits - Enthusiastic expression of praise or approval"

"Britain and the USSR deserve most of the plaudits (praise)"

I still challenge you to show me how that interprets to insinuation of a competition? Maybe you use a different dictionary in Scotland? :shrug:
 
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