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Hi all, i've just found out my parents are getting me a Canon EOS750D which i'm over the moon about but I know that i'm going to need a telephoto lens but not sure what length would be good as a sort of all rounder lens, I was guessing something like 70-300mm. My main interests are landscape, water & wildlife.
For the past 18 months since starting this hobby I have been using a Sony DSC-H400 bridge camera with a 63x zoom which I have to say has been great & the zoom has helped me get shots i've wanted as cropping the images brings out a lot of noise due to the size of the sensor the camera has.
 
Canon 10-18mm is a very nice little lens and worthy of consideration.
 
I have the 55-250 stm and the 10-18 stm. Both good performers for the price. Look out for Canon cash back deals.
 
Cheers for the replies, looking at the suggestions something around the 250-300mm mark seems to be the way to go. I will have to stick with the kit lens for now for most things as we are rather skint until next year sadly
 
Landscapes would usually want a wider lens - Sigma 10-20, Canon 10-22.

Completely disagree. I take many landscapes with a 70-200mm telephoto lens, works especially well in hilly areas. It's nice to have an ultra wide in the kit bag but would never use one as the default choice.

As for the OP's options unfortunately I don't know Canon equipment but my first thought was something in the 70-300mm range would serve you well
 
Unless things have changed in the last year the budget Canon telephoto to get is the 55-250, great lens for the money and better than the 70-300. Alternatively the Tamron 70-300VC is very good (must be VC version).

And yes, you don't need UWA for landscapes, the vast majority of mine are taken in the 70-200 range.
 
Hi all, i've just found out my parents are getting me a Canon EOS750D which i'm over the moon about but I know that i'm going to need a telephoto lens but not sure what length would be good as a sort of all rounder lens, I was guessing something like 70-300mm. My main interests are landscape, water & wildlife.
For the past 18 months since starting this hobby I have been using a Sony DSC-H400 bridge camera with a 63x zoom which I have to say has been great & the zoom has helped me get shots i've wanted as cropping the images brings out a lot of noise due to the size of the sensor the camera has.

To get an accurate comparison of focal lengths between your Sony and Canon, multiply by 3.5x. Eg, a 300mm lens on the Canon will frame the subject the same as the Sony lens set to 86mm. So basically, you'll struggle to match the Sony's long end.
 
I recently invested in a Nikon 18-300mm. Before this, I was using just the kit lens. I chose this lens because I wanted an all round lens and in my time with the kit lens, I've always wanted more telephoto reach which this is easily provides. Not to mention, my compact camera with a 30x zoom has broken so I figured getting a long zoom reach lens will also negate the reason for having a compact camera with good zoom. I didn't get a 70-300mm because I wanted the 18mm wide angle but I didn't want to change lens constantly.

Biggest thing I'd say is, suit it to your needs. Some people will look at my reasoning and may say "A 50mm F1.8 would be a better all round use" and while that may be correct to an extent, only you really know. I've had to my 18-300mm for a while now and I don't regret it.
 
To get an accurate comparison of focal lengths between your Sony and Canon, multiply by 3.5x. Eg, a 300mm lens on the Canon will frame the subject the same as the Sony lens set to 86mm. So basically, you'll struggle to match the Sony's long end.


Yes, I just looked up the specs and you would need a ~1000mm lens to get the same 'zoom' as the bridge camera (1550mm FFE).
 
A friend of mine has loaned me his old canon 75-300 f4-5.6 III USM lens & I seem to be getting on ok with it so think something like this should work out ok for the time being until I have the funds to get a better lens. As a newbie to all this has anyone got any recommendations as i'm getting very lost off reading reviews between canon, sigma & tamron lens & could a x1.4 converter be added?
Anyway thanks for all your help so far guy's most grateful
 
Be careful otherwise you could end up with G.A.S if you keep reading reviews. Lenses which work with converters tend to cost more more money.
 
Adding a teleconverter you will be multiplying the aperture by the same factor as the range.
Just to clarify this, because the maths isn't straightforward for most of us^

That means a 1.4x converter loses one stop of light and a 2x loses 2 stops.
 
Also, lots of consumer lenses don't really work with teleconverters and I think (although not really au-fait with Canon) that the situation is even worse with Canon lenses due to the different mounts.

There are a few factors in this:

1) the TC physically fitting
2) the image quality degradation being so bad you do't want to use it (simplistically the TC also magnifies any flaws in the lens so unless the lens is super-sharp in the first place you end up with mush)
3) the resulting change in aperture makes AF much worse, especially on lenses that aren't f/2.8 (of f/4) in the first place and especially on cheaper non-pro cameras

So, more often that not, a TC isn't the answer.
 
How about buying the new tamron 18-400mm? (if you want cheaper, there is tamron 16-300mm and sigma 18-300mm)
That'll give you plenty range at both ends but with a loss in image quality. Once you know what focal ranges you need, you can slowly save up and buy new better lenses.

If you are pretty certain you want something in 300mm range then get a Canon 70-300mm (not the 'DO' version) or tamron 70-300mm depending on your budget.
I personally use an old canon 100-300mm f/4.5-5.6 which I got for £15. I can get sharp results out of that too in good light ;)
Good luck :)
 
A friend of mine has loaned me his old canon 75-300 f4-5.6 III USM lens ... could a x1.4 converter be added?
A Canon Extender will not fit. Don't even try it. The way they enforce compatibility between lenses and extenders is that extenders have protruding front elements and that compatible lenses have recessed rear elements. If you try to fit an extender to a lens like yours on which the rear element is not recessed, you could break it.

The reason Canon don't allow you to use extenders with this lens is because they think the results will be too poor. As somebody else said back there, extenders and teleconverters magnify the imperfections in the lens, and cheap zooms have lots of imperfections. The only Canon zooms which can be used with Extenders are the 70-200mm series, the £2000 100-400mm and the £10000 200-400mm.

Having said that, there are third party teleconverters (eg Kenko) which do not have protruding front elements and which will physically fit onto your lens. Bear in mind that you will lose a stop of aperture and you will probably have to focus manually. The image quality will be degraded, so it might be worse than if you were to crop and magnify - Canon apparently think so - but you could give it a try if you want.
 
This is my take the kit lens isn't bad. Next a telephoto the 55-250 is great lens for its price. You are now set up for most general shots IMHO. You don't need a tc you have crop body so it's sort of built in, I don't like them really myself
 
EF-S 55-250 IS or a 70-300.

Landscapes would usually want a wider lens - Sigma 10-20, Canon 10-22.
This is a common misconception - these are ultra wide lenses and you really need to be IN the landscape to make these work. Otherwise you have a shed load of bland foreground with a tiny landscape in the midground or background :)

A good landscape lens can be any lens - I've shot landscapes at anything between 10mm and 600mm.
 
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Fantastic info about extenders & going off what you guy's have said I think i'll give one a miss. The Canon 75-300 lens i've borrowed is ok but I would like something a little sharper & which doesn't suffer from fringing as bad so am thinking of possibly going for something like a 70-300 sigma lens as the reviews seem a little better than the tamron version going off the reviews but know in the real world it might not be the case. Think i'll have to do a lot of saving up to get a bigger in the future
 
The picks in that range at sensible money are the Canon EF-S 55-250 STM, Nikon 70-300 VR and Tamron 70-300 VC. New Canon 70-300 IS Mk2 also looks promising though I've not tried it (better than the rather lack-lustre Mk1).
 
FWIW, I bought a Sigma 70-300mm APO about 10-years ago for use on my 20D and it was alright. The missus still uses it on her 400D (I've moved on a bit). While it's not a bad lens (as long as you get the APO version), it's not a great lens. A bit slow and clunky, not SHARP and not really as good IMHO as the EF-S 55-250mm that my daughter uses on her 60D. The extra 50mm of reach from the 70-300mm is pretty much unimportant. For the money the 55-250mm is probably the best bang for buck.

I've been reading some reviews of the new Canon 70-300mm non-L lens, and that sounds interesting, but I've not seen one in the flesh or played with one yet. If I were replacing the old Sigma, I wouldn't least check out the EF 70-300mm L version and compare with the non-L.

Good luck.
 
but I know that i'm going to need a telephoto lens
No... no you don't... reel in the GAS... there is very little in life we truly 'need'.. apart from a little self realization to recognize how often we 'promote' things we may 'want' into things we kid ourselves to believe, we 'need' before the sales-men add to the conviction to get their commission.....
Back up.... your comments critasising the borrowed lens, I suspect you really aren't qualified to make, and more, I would hazard a pretty big guess isn't all down to the lens, but your expectations and skill.
Using a bridge, you have the wonderful cure-all of a micro-sensor, that gives enormous potential 'zoom' due to the enormous crop factor; but a lens is a lens, and it does't care how little or big the sensor is.
My 120 Roll-Film 'medium format' camera, the negative (sensor!) is 6x9cm.... the 'normal angle' lens on that sized focal plane is 105mm, on a 35mm film camera, or 'full-frame' DSLR that would be a telephoto in the 'portrait' lens range. On a Crop Sensor APS-C DSLR, that is quite a long telephoto.....
Checking the specs for your Sony, suggests it has a 'true' focal length of 4.5mm to 220mm; the enormous zoom X-factor provided by it having such a minuscule focal length to begin with.....
Now, I have a 4.5mm focal length lens for APS-C; on that size frame, it's a 180 degree FoV 'fish-eye', and whilst it is an AF-Lens that is significantly 'redundant'; at such a short focal length the Depth of Field, or front to back focus 'sharpness' is enormous and with a close focus distance of only about 20com, the depth of focus at almost all apertures is almost from the front of the lens element to infinity....
THIS incredibly 'deep' Depth of Field from very short Focal length lenses, makes them appear incredibly 'sharp'.. and it provides an enormous tolerance for focus error or inaccuracy.... something they rely on with micro-sensor cameras to compensate for rather less accurate lens 'movements' to keep costs down, and the specs up.
Now you are using an APS-C DSLR, that with larger sensor does NOT have that incredibly deep Depth of Field 'sharpness' nor the tolerance on focus accuracy.... whilst the DoF 'focus fade' from sharp focus to 'out of focus' will be a lot more gradual and give the appearance of 'softness'
Larger format cameras are a lot more demanding on the operator to use; they don't do as much for you, you really have to learn to exploit them.
Back to needs and wants......
Once upon a long-long-time ago... the leap you have just made from a consumer compact to enthusiast SLR was likely from a 110 cartridge camera to an entry 35mm SLR. The 110 cartridge instamatic probably had a fixed, mild wide angle lens, the entry 35mm SLR likely came with a fixed 'normal angle' 50mm on the front... and in a similar situation to you, probably 'given' that entry level SLR, we could't afford to buy a large number of accessory lenses that the thing could take! Comparatively, they were probably 3x the cost lenses are for modern DSLR's and they were likely fixed length 'primes' or very limited range, possibly only 2x Zooms!
My first SLR was a 2nd hand Olympus OM10 gifted to me by my Dad when he bought a Pentax.. and I was rather wowed when I saved up to buy a second hand 35-70mm 2x 'short' zoom for it two years later....
The modern entry level DSLR, with 'kit' 18-55mm lens, is comparatively like almost EVERY toy in the shop AND all the film! when I was starting out.
In the camera you have shot-by shot variable ISO, and the option to shoot in B&W or colour; and you don't have to pay for the film, or the processing..... you have an inbuilt popup flash, which was an add-on accessory in days of yore, and that lens? 18-55mm? Well, that is the 'equivalent' of aprox 27 -82mm... I spend years looking for something wider than 28, that I could actually afford for my OM... that really was about as wide as you could get without paying very big money.
BUT it was these 'limitations' that TAUGHT... we had to learn to frame with our feet; get creative, get interactive and put the camera where best to get the subject best in the frame, and if it was a bit small, accept that, and make the most of it....
A-N-D..... big zoom is a one trick dog. Filling the frame with subject, cuts out clutter; it delivers instant 'impact'... but that is about ALL it delivers; cutting clutter, it also cuts context, and after the initial wow factor big zoom shots often lack a lot of interest.... and there in lies the learning..... with less zoom you have to LOOK for the interest; find what it is in the scene that explains the subject; gives it 'context' meaning relevance, and then learn to frame NOT just to chuck it all away but include the bits that most explain the subject, and 'add' to the shot, and give it 'interest' that holds viewers attention, rather than just grabs it.
This is a big leap.. and one NOT to be found in the camera, its settings or accessories!
Say it often enough but COMPOSITION, COMPOSITION, COMPOSITION!
Very easy to look at the gadgets and convince yourself that you 'need' another bit of kit to get the shot you hanker for.... and very very very easy after that to get locked into an ever decreasing circle, chasing the gadgets to do the job, rather than applying a with a bit of technique, or a little imagination and not doing 'quite' the job you had hoped, but looking for a different ways about; a 'different' angle, an alternative perspective, rather than the cliche...... and THAT is the 'art' of photography.....
A-N-D.. after almost forty years of the game, chasing more reach or chasing more wide, and 'now' pretty much having as much of either as I ever dreamed of..... that 'art' still eludes me FAR more often than gadgets....
In your enthusiasm, with a new camera, that has so much more possibility, the impulse to explore it is understandably enormous..... BUT! Take a step back; turn the frustration of what you 'cant' do ts head, and instead, look at what you CAN do.....
Go look at photo's by the old masters, taken with fixed lens plate cameras! They didn't have zoom lenses; they were lucky to have interchangeable lenses! They didn't have variable on demand ISO they had glass plates they probably had to prepare themselves, with an equivalent sensitivity of maybe ISO25! They exploited the hardware at their disposal, and made masterpieces with it.. because THEY were masters.... not because they had all the toys n the toy-shop to hand!
Go look at the photo's you have taken.. find the very worst.. what was wrong? What caused that abomination? The Camera? Or YOU. Now look at your best shot. Same question; what made t good? The camera? or YOU?
Its NOT in the gadget in your hand; its in your head as to how to make the most of it.
So? What to do? Waste sunlight NOT taking photo's because you don't have enough 'zoom'? Or get out there, like the old masters and try make the most of what you got?
Go look at scenary to take photo's of, not at google looking at specs and tests of hardware!!! THAT is where you'd do your learning, REAL first hand learning; not gathering second hand scentific data!!
Its the photo that matters, not the hardware that was used to take it! Judge your results by that, not what the pundits say about line resolution or edge abhorations and sluff like that!
 
No... no you don't... reel in the GAS... there is very little in life we truly 'need'.. apart from a little self realization to recognize how often we 'promote' things we may 'want' into things we kid ourselves to believe, we 'need' before the sales-men add to the conviction to get their commission.....
Back up.... your comments critasising the borrowed lens, I suspect you really aren't qualified to make, and more, I would hazard a pretty big guess isn't all down to the lens, but your expectations and skill.
Using a bridge, you have the wonderful cure-all of a micro-sensor, that gives enormous potential 'zoom' due to the enormous crop factor; but a lens is a lens, and it does't care how little or big the sensor is.
My 120 Roll-Film 'medium format' camera, the negative (sensor!) is 6x9cm.... the 'normal angle' lens on that sized focal plane is 105mm, on a 35mm film camera, or 'full-frame' DSLR that would be a telephoto in the 'portrait' lens range. On a Crop Sensor APS-C DSLR, that is quite a long telephoto.....
Checking the specs for your Sony, suggests it has a 'true' focal length of 4.5mm to 220mm; the enormous zoom X-factor provided by it having such a minuscule focal length to begin with.....
Now, I have a 4.5mm focal length lens for APS-C; on that size frame, it's a 180 degree FoV 'fish-eye', and whilst it is an AF-Lens that is significantly 'redundant'; at such a short focal length the Depth of Field, or front to back focus 'sharpness' is enormous and with a close focus distance of only about 20com, the depth of focus at almost all apertures is almost from the front of the lens element to infinity....
THIS incredibly 'deep' Depth of Field from very short Focal length lenses, makes them appear incredibly 'sharp'.. and it provides an enormous tolerance for focus error or inaccuracy.... something they rely on with micro-sensor cameras to compensate for rather less accurate lens 'movements' to keep costs down, and the specs up.
Now you are using an APS-C DSLR, that with larger sensor does NOT have that incredibly deep Depth of Field 'sharpness' nor the tolerance on focus accuracy.... whilst the DoF 'focus fade' from sharp focus to 'out of focus' will be a lot more gradual and give the appearance of 'softness'
Larger format cameras are a lot more demanding on the operator to use; they don't do as much for you, you really have to learn to exploit them.
Back to needs and wants......
Once upon a long-long-time ago... the leap you have just made from a consumer compact to enthusiast SLR was likely from a 110 cartridge camera to an entry 35mm SLR. The 110 cartridge instamatic probably had a fixed, mild wide angle lens, the entry 35mm SLR likely came with a fixed 'normal angle' 50mm on the front... and in a similar situation to you, probably 'given' that entry level SLR, we could't afford to buy a large number of accessory lenses that the thing could take! Comparatively, they were probably 3x the cost lenses are for modern DSLR's and they were likely fixed length 'primes' or very limited range, possibly only 2x Zooms!
My first SLR was a 2nd hand Olympus OM10 gifted to me by my Dad when he bought a Pentax.. and I was rather wowed when I saved up to buy a second hand 35-70mm 2x 'short' zoom for it two years later....
The modern entry level DSLR, with 'kit' 18-55mm lens, is comparatively like almost EVERY toy in the shop AND all the film! when I was starting out.
In the camera you have shot-by shot variable ISO, and the option to shoot in B&W or colour; and you don't have to pay for the film, or the processing..... you have an inbuilt popup flash, which was an add-on accessory in days of yore, and that lens? 18-55mm? Well, that is the 'equivalent' of aprox 27 -82mm... I spend years looking for something wider than 28, that I could actually afford for my OM... that really was about as wide as you could get without paying very big money.
BUT it was these 'limitations' that TAUGHT... we had to learn to frame with our feet; get creative, get interactive and put the camera where best to get the subject best in the frame, and if it was a bit small, accept that, and make the most of it....
A-N-D..... big zoom is a one trick dog. Filling the frame with subject, cuts out clutter; it delivers instant 'impact'... but that is about ALL it delivers; cutting clutter, it also cuts context, and after the initial wow factor big zoom shots often lack a lot of interest.... and there in lies the learning..... with less zoom you have to LOOK for the interest; find what it is in the scene that explains the subject; gives it 'context' meaning relevance, and then learn to frame NOT just to chuck it all away but include the bits that most explain the subject, and 'add' to the shot, and give it 'interest' that holds viewers attention, rather than just grabs it.
This is a big leap.. and one NOT to be found in the camera, its settings or accessories!
Say it often enough but COMPOSITION, COMPOSITION, COMPOSITION!
Very easy to look at the gadgets and convince yourself that you 'need' another bit of kit to get the shot you hanker for.... and very very very easy after that to get locked into an ever decreasing circle, chasing the gadgets to do the job, rather than applying a with a bit of technique, or a little imagination and not doing 'quite' the job you had hoped, but looking for a different ways about; a 'different' angle, an alternative perspective, rather than the cliche...... and THAT is the 'art' of photography.....
A-N-D.. after almost forty years of the game, chasing more reach or chasing more wide, and 'now' pretty much having as much of either as I ever dreamed of..... that 'art' still eludes me FAR more often than gadgets....
In your enthusiasm, with a new camera, that has so much more possibility, the impulse to explore it is understandably enormous..... BUT! Take a step back; turn the frustration of what you 'cant' do ts head, and instead, look at what you CAN do.....
Go look at photo's by the old masters, taken with fixed lens plate cameras! They didn't have zoom lenses; they were lucky to have interchangeable lenses! They didn't have variable on demand ISO they had glass plates they probably had to prepare themselves, with an equivalent sensitivity of maybe ISO25! They exploited the hardware at their disposal, and made masterpieces with it.. because THEY were masters.... not because they had all the toys n the toy-shop to hand!
Go look at the photo's you have taken.. find the very worst.. what was wrong? What caused that abomination? The Camera? Or YOU. Now look at your best shot. Same question; what made t good? The camera? or YOU?
Its NOT in the gadget in your hand; its in your head as to how to make the most of it.
So? What to do? Waste sunlight NOT taking photo's because you don't have enough 'zoom'? Or get out there, like the old masters and try make the most of what you got?
Go look at scenary to take photo's of, not at google looking at specs and tests of hardware!!! THAT is where you'd do your learning, REAL first hand learning; not gathering second hand scentific data!!
Its the photo that matters, not the hardware that was used to take it! Judge your results by that, not what the pundits say about line resolution or edge abhorations and sluff like that!

I understand what you are saying but I do need a telephoto lens as I enjoy wildlife so need the extra reach it gives, Saturday evening I was photographing Red Squirrel's & was going from 75mm through to 300mm I also often take shots of a breading pair of barn owls & little owls
 
EF-S 55-250 IS or a 70-300.

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I'd like to second this. I started off with the 55-250 about 7 years ago, then moved to the 70-300 IS (mk1) and around 5 years ago, bought the 70-300L (which I still own and use extensively for motor racing). In my opinion they have all been excellent lenses (when considering their respective prices).
 
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