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I've gone down the rabbit hole of researching compact and bridge cameras, and I think I'd benefit from a bit of advice (a whole lot would be even better!). While on holiday last year, I borrowed my mother's camera, a Canon SX720 HS. I had fun with it, and like the photos it took, even though I never touched any of the settings. I'd now like a camera of my own, and the choice is completely overwhelming.

I've educated myself on the basics of megapixels and sensor size, so I have a bit of an idea what to look for and expect (i.e. I want a camera that does everything perfectly and for it to not be expensive). Up to now, I've mostly looked at 1/2.3" sensor cameras, but I'm willing to consider larger sensors, and possibly even DSLRs/mirrorless.

My interests are landscape and wildlife photography, and I like a dynamic zoom range. When I was using the SX720, I was going up to around 30x zoom, maybe a little over (I found the 40x zoom a bit unwieldly, but I was often standing up at the time, so I wasn't supporting the camera well). If I could go over 40x, I probably would. I also help my mother put together a calendar every year, so printing is another requirement (roughly 12"x 9", so 12MP would be the minimum I'd want, and I'm hesitant to go over 16MP in a 1/2.3" sensor camera).

If I were to go with the smaller sensor cameras, based on my research, I wouldn't go for the upgrades of the SX720, and I'd also avoid the Canon SX70 HS and the Panasonic FZ82. The Nikon P series superzooms carry a heftier price tag (and weight), although they are still a possibility, I just haven't looked into them that much. The Kodak Pixpro AZ series in particular has caught my eye due to the amazing image quality when compared with the sensor size and price, and also the zoom range (except one option, the AZ528, is only available in midnight blue at the moment, and I'd prefer black). I'm hesitant to go with either the AZ652 or AZ901 due to them being 20MP versus the 16MP of the AZ421 and AZ528, but they do offer the ability to shoot in RAW (not sure how much I'd make use of that feature to begin with), and also have a greater reach.

I'd like to get something before I go away in June, and to get it in good enough time to practice with it and get used to it. I'm not opposed to other options, and I don't want to go cheap for the sake of going cheap. I also don't want to overthink it (but that ship probably sunk a while ago). I prefer to buy new (I'm a very fussy person).

Any advice is welcome and greatly appreciated.
 
I've mostly looked at 1/2.3" sensor cameras
That's in fact worse than many modern smartphones. So really just go with the above advice or else just stick to higher end phone
 
I`d echo what Jack Gatford said and try the Used Camera market , its definitely a route that I`d go down ..

How much do you intend to spend ? whats your maximum budget ?

If you want to buy New then you wont get much for your money ,However the Used market at the moment is were there are lots of bargains to be had especially now that a lot of photographers have made the move to mirrorless .. A used Canon 6D or Canon 5d mark ii with a suitable lens will give you way better images than you think ...

As I`ve said if you state your budget then the more knowledgeable guys on here can advise you best ... Good luck in your search


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Hi and welcome to TP

Further to the previous answers......

You mentioned 'landscapes' & 'wildlife' photography and also a significant multiplier zoom range.

The above suggested Canon bodies will be fine for landscapes but big focal length lenses, for wildlife usage, are both heavy and expensive even secondhand and the zoom ranges will not meet your previous intended list of specs.

Bridge cameras as you seem to appreciate are a compromise and intended, to a degree, to a "Jack of all Trades and master of none"

Your budget as aforementioned and refining your expectations is key.

Whatever you get will likely be a stepping stone to further refine your gear choices over time.

Photography is a journey of discovery and a potential money pit.....enjoy it with whichever kit you buy :)
 
if you're looking to take up photography as a hobby, then ultimately I would guide you down a camera system with interchangable lenses - whether its a DSLR or a mirrorless.

If you're looking for a camera which will take nice snapshots, but you don't want to get bogged down in the minutia of shutter speeds, f-stops and ISO and have no intention of learning, then a compact or bridge camera with a zoom lens which can't be removed may be the best bet.
 
How big of a camera are prepared to carry the suggested Canon lumps are big and heavy and have old fashioned big flappy mirrors.

You should have a look at things like M4/3 too as these will allow for better reach with telephoto lenses at much lower cost and weight. Remember you cannot take photos with a camera you left at home because you couldn't be bothered to carry.

 
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Sorry, I should've mentioned my budget, yes. I hesitate to spend lots when I'm starting out in something, so a rough figure at the lower end of the scale would be £300-400, possibly going up to £500-600. If I went higher than that, I'd have to be really certain.

Weight is also an issue, as I enjoy to take photos the most while on holiday in France. Many of the shots are landscape, in the towns and out in the countryside (especially up mountains, although I cheat and take cable cars, no hiking or climbing is involved). If there is any wildlife, from tiny bugs to birds, I also try to take photos of those (so macro and long zoom are very useful).

I do think I'd get into the finer details of taking photos, as I'd want to take the best possible photos with my chosen camera. I was only pointing and shooting last year, but then I didn't have to spend any money first.
 
Sorry, I should've mentioned my budget, yes. I hesitate to spend lots when I'm starting out in something, so a rough figure at the lower end of the scale would be £300-400, possibly going up to £500-600. If I went higher than that, I'd have to be really certain.

Weight is also an issue, as I enjoy to take photos the most while on holiday in France. Many of the shots are landscape, in the towns and out in the countryside (especially up mountains, although I cheat and take cable cars, no hiking or climbing is involved). If there is any wildlife, from tiny bugs to birds, I also try to take photos of those (so macro and long zoom are very useful).

I do think I'd get into the finer details of taking photos, as I'd want to take the best possible photos with my chosen camera. I was only pointing and shooting last year, but then I didn't have to spend any money first.
I think your budget is quite tight!

Having said that (subject to looking at secondhand pricing?)....

Olympus E-M1 mk2 and the 12-40mm f2.8 zoom.

My reasoning is:-
Lightweight & compact
Though not macro the lens does have good minimum focusing distance and I have found that cropping in the likes of butterflies, spiders(in their webs), bees on blooms et al come up trumps

Once you have found your feet with landscapes (the above lens being a short range zoom is not a wideangle) and "whatever catches your eye type photography" then for larger wildlife a longer zoom can be shopped for as needed.
 
I think your budget is quite tight!

Having said that (subject to looking at secondhand pricing?)....

Olympus E-M1 mk2 and the 12-40mm f2.8 zoom.

My reasoning is:-
Lightweight & compact
Though not macro the lens does have good minimum focusing distance and I have found that cropping in the likes of butterflies, spiders(in their webs), bees on blooms et al come up trumps

Once you have found your feet with landscapes (the above lens being a short range zoom is not a wideangle) and "whatever catches your eye type photography" then for larger wildlife a longer zoom can be shopped for as needed.
Many thanks, it gives me something to think about.

I do think I'm going a little too far down the rabbit hole at the moment with my options, and I need to pull back a bit.

Looking at 1" sensor cameras, Panasonic goes up to about the 20x optical zoom range. If I go for 1/2.3" sensors, there's the 12MP FZ330 which has a 24x zoom (I got a bit muddled up and thought it was 30x), and it isn't over-packed with pixels, so it should deliver better image quality than 20MP or even 16MP cameras in that sensor category. Zoom range is definitely something I'm looking for in a camera, but I don't want to go overboard either - I was able to happily go up to about 30x on the Canon SX720 HS, but above that it got a bit more tricky to take steady shots without the appropriate support.
 
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Many thanks, it gives me something to think about.

I do think I'm going a little too far down the rabbit hole at the moment with my options, and I need to pull back a bit.

Looking at 1" sensor cameras, Panasonic goes up to about the 20x optical zoom range. If I go for 1/2.3" sensors, there's the 12MP FZ330 which has a 24x zoom (I got a bit muddled up and thought it was 30x), and it isn't over-packed with pixels, so it should deliver better image quality than 20MP or even 16MP cameras in that sensor category. Zoom range is definitely something I'm looking for in a camera, but I don't want to go overboard either - I was able to happily go up to about 30x on the Canon SX720 HS, but above that it got a bit more tricky to take steady shots without the appropriate support.
The rabbit hole, so to speak, is that your thinking is being lead by the optical zoom range you seek,.......that is only in bridge cameras.

AFAIK the Panasonic FZ series have some very good models but IMO I would avoid the ones with extreme zoom ranges......and simply accept that whatever you choose to buy will have (some) limitations & comprises.
 
The rabbit hole, so to speak, is that your thinking is being lead by the optical zoom range you seek,.......that is only in bridge cameras.

AFAIK the Panasonic FZ series have some very good models but IMO I would avoid the ones with extreme zoom ranges......and simply accept that whatever you choose to buy will have (some) limitations & comprises.
For me, the rabbit hole is going too far, too fast with cameras. Of course, buying a camera is different to borrowing one, so I'm bound to be more fussy and find it harder to make a decision. There's no rush, so I don't need to make a decusion right now.

I've looked a little into the older Olympus EM-5. New, it is £717, but there are some in excellent condition on MPB for what look to be fantastic prices. Apart from that, I'm also reconsidering how much zoom I really need, and if I'm discounting better cameras for a zoom range I just don't need (that often).
 
the problem with compact cameras using x20 to define the zoom is that it's meaningless until extra information is provided. A 1mm to 20mm zoom , a 10 to 200mm zoom and a 100 to 2000 are all x20 zooms.
 
the problem with compact cameras using x20 to define the zoom is that it's meaningless until extra information is provided. A 1mm to 20mm zoom , a 10 to 200mm zoom and a 100 to 2000 are all x20 zooms.
That’s something I hadn’t educated myself on, and I’ve taken a (brief) look into it now. The Kodak Pixpro AZ cameras (1/2.3” sensors) I’ve been looking at start at 24mm, and the Panasonic FZ1000 and FZ2500 cameras (1” sensors) also both state 24mm at the wide angle end. A 20x magnification on the FZ2500 would give 480mm at the telephoto end. I’m still a bit clueless as to exactly what that looks like, although I’ve looked at a couple of articles that give visual examples of different zoom ranges.
 
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That’s something I hadn’t educated myself on, and I’ve taken a (brief) look into it now.
There are many sites that provide information on both equipment and technique. One bloke who provides this information in an understandable manner is here: https://www.kenrockwell.com/

A great deal depends on what you think is high quality, which may be quite different from what others believe.
 
The benefit of a camera with a big zoom range is convenience.

The drawbacks of a camera with a big zoom range is that image quality is sacrified because of the competing requirements for optical adjustments at the long end and the short end and everything in between. On an interchangable lens cameras, putting the zoom range into compact camera speak, most are in the x2 to x4 region, with a few of the very long zoom range lenses such as the Sigma 60-600 is x10 - and the consequence is that the aperture is slower, image quality will be pooer than a 600mm prime lens and quite a lot heavier due to the extra glass.
 
If I were to go with the smaller sensor cameras, based on my research ... I'd also avoid the Canon SX70 HS and the Panasonic FZ82...
I use a FZ82 for some things and very good it is too. It all depends on what you're trying to achieve...

Panasonic FZ82 camera GX7 P1140753.JPG
 
I use a FZ82 for some things and very good it is too. It all depends on what you're trying to achieve...

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I'd say I am trying to achieve the the impossible (I do tend to maximise on my decisions rather than go for 'good enough'). In a way, I wasn't joking when I said I wanted a camera that did everything perfectly (not that it exists...yet, although it'll probably be a long time before someone invents it).

I've looked at the FZ82, particularly on DP Review, and if I were to go for a 1/2.3" camera, I'm erring on the Kodak Pixpro AZ series. I did consider the Canon SX70 HS because of brand loyalty, but for the price, features and performance compared to other small sensor cameras, it didn't seem the best value for money. But, I want to keep my options open with larger sensors and not rush any decision (although I shouldn't keep them too open or look too advanced, because I'd upgrade eventually anyway after finding my feet, so it's really just the beginning).
 
I’m currently eyeing up the Panasonic FZ2000, and have a chance this coming weekend to try one out in person.

I visited a camera shop in Worcester on Saturday for a hands-on experience with the Sony RX10 IV. The weight was a bit off-putting, especially for the price (£1,499 new). I also didn’t feel that the additional 120mm max focal length or marginal difference in lens quality over the FZ2000 justified the extra £600 price tag. The RX10 III is only slightly lighter, but it isn’t available to buy new, only second-hand. I have read about the soft lens issue reported on the FZ2000 when it was first released, but it looks like it was mostly a quality control issue.

I would prefer to buy new, especially for my first camera. I know it means paying a bit more, but there is a more limited warranty on second-hand cameras, and I am a bit particular about buying used products. I’m also keeping away from grey imports, as much as the prices look very appealing.

Obviously, I’ve revised my budget upwards to the region of £1,000. I’m not sure I can go much further north than that at this time. After all, I am only just starting my journey into photography, and I want a soft landing. I think the FZ2000 may give me just that. It should allow me to start playing around and find my feet without limiting me too much, giving me the convenience of a fixed lens camera, and to figure out where to go from there. ILC’s may be a bit too serious for me at this point.
 
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Simillar position to me in some ways have a look at Bridge camera advise

And all so all the pics in 52 for '23 have been taken with the Panasonic Lumix FZ82

Whatever you end up with enjoy the journey
 
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