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Hi All,

I've only just come across this forum and used to be a member of photosig forum back in the days of when it was the goto site for photography. Anyway, I am just coming back into photography again after a break of a couple of years and have started with the excellent Olympus OM-D EM-10 with 70-150mm kit lens for which i am very happy with. But I feel i want to have an additional camera as the OM-D10 isn't weather sealed so is only great for when its not raining too hard!

My main interest is landscapes, air shows and street/people capturing, so have now hit a stumbling block on what to do! WEX are currently discounting the OM-D EM-1 with 70-150mm f2.8 Pro and 14-40mm pro at a great price of £1999 plus the grip for free.. Sounds like a great offer, but will it fit most/all of the interests and leave the EM-10 as backup?

I used to use a Canon D60 with Sigma 70-100mm 2.8 and am also looking at D80 with same lens plus another as my budget is around £2k so would like to invest wisely, so am turning to you guys for any advise you can offer to ensure i'm in the right direction as the break in play :-)

Many Thanks,
Chris (Tayloss)
 
Personally I wouldn't dismiss Nikon or Sony in the equation and if you want the best bang for your bucks I'd but second hand. Ok, you have 2 choices, do you go full frame because you main interest suit a full frame camera (landscapes, street photography), or do you go for a crop camera for you Airshow photography.

If I was to go crop and Nikon, then a D7100 would be a worth consideration as it has a built in motor and you can take advantage of Nikon full lens range
If I was to go full frame Nikon D750 will meet you needs
If I was to go crop and Canon, then a 70D is very capable
If I was to go full frame Canon, then perhaps a 6D would fit your requirements
As for Sony, I'm sure others would chip in on recommendations, especially their full frame cameras

But you really need to consider what lenses you'll need, especially for airshows, with all the restrictions coming into place a 400/500mm lens is becoming more the norm, which you could look at the sigma or tamron 150-600mm range of lenses, but that's a major part of your budget gone, then a landscape lens and a mid zoom for your street photography. So I would definitely go and visit a camera shop and find which system suit you, the ergonomic of each system slightly different and the size of the cameras vary.

Also, the fact you already own the Olympus system, is there a camera in that range that would meet your requirements as you already have lenses for the system.

The choice is a minefield, but definitely go and try things out and if you want the best bang for your bucks, go secondhand
 
At that price Chris they're pretty much giving you the EM-1 & grip for free! your just paying for the 12-40 pro & the 40-150 pro, both lenses are crackers, especially the 40-150.
So bang for buck wise that deal will be pretty hard to beat.
The EM-1 is still a very capable camera and one of only two choices for a weather proof camera from Olympus ( the EM-5ii is the other option) So if those two lenses are ones on your shopping list, grab the deal.
 
The EM1 and pro lenses are pretty much all you will ever need, I absolutely love mine and they are good for landscape (you don't really need FF for this - I know as I ended up selling my Nikon FF kit after trying Olympus). CAF isn't amazing but is actually ok as long as you're not trying to focus on small moving things against a busy background, I find it perfectly fine for airshows.

The pro lenses are simply superb, really and truly the best lenses I've owned (especially the 40-150) and I've owned a lot of lenses. I also have the new Panasonic-Leica 100-400 which I have just used to great success in Alaska which would more than meet your airshow needs.

In fact, for that trip I had (FFe) 24-300mm at f/2.8, 1.4tc, 200-800 variable aperture, a EM5ii and EM1, a Macbook, filters, batteries and USB charging gear (you can now get a USB battery charger so that and a big powerpack can last a whole trip - very handy) and tripod in a tiny Lowepro Photosport 200 backpack. All the Canikon shooters were amazed at the quality produced and minimal size of my kit, especially as they needed a whole big backpack for their one telephoto lens.
 
As above the EM1 with 12-40 f2.8 pro and 40-150mm f2.8 pro is an unbelievably good deal, and both camera and lenses are exceptional. You would not be disappointed. However, after running two systems for a while, the Olympus EM5-II (which is weather sealed and in terms of pure IQ arguably a smidge better than the EM1) with 12-40mm f2.8 and a couple of primes, and the Nikon D750 with several lenses I sold the Olympus a few months ago as it just wasn't getting used.

The Olympus is an unbelievably good camera giving great image quality in a small light package, but it just couldn't match the Nikon and because of that I always used the Nikon instead.

If you do decide to go down the DSLR route and you're not invested into a system I would encourage you to consider Nikon over Canon at the moment as sensor performance in significantly better for most like for like bodies at present. For example I no longer bracket my landscapes as the dynamic range is so good on the D750 that I can recover enough detail in all but the most extreme scenes. Of course this means nothing if you prefer the feel and handling of Canon as being comfortable with the camera is more important ;)
 
A few years ago the Canon 5D was as good as DSLR's got image quality wise but these days the latest Micro Four Thirds cameras (arguably, probably) beat it for image quality.

If we stop obsessing maybe that's good enough for many people and many uses.
 
tayloss said:
Hi All,

I've only just come across this forum and used to be a member of photosig forum back in the days of when it was the goto site for photography. Anyway, I am just coming back into photography again after a break of a couple of years and have started with the excellent Olympus OM-D EM-10 with 70-150mm kit lens for which i am very happy with. But I feel i want to have an additional camera as the OM-D10 isn't weather sealed so is only great for when its not raining too hard!

My main interest is landscapes, air shows and street/people capturing, so have now hit a stumbling block on what to do! WEX are currently discounting the OM-D EM-1 with 70-150mm f2.8 Pro and 14-40mm pro at a great price of £1999 plus the grip for free.. Sounds like a great offer, but will it fit most/all of the interests and leave the EM-10 as backup?

I used to use a Canon D60 with Sigma 70-100mm 2.8 and am also looking at D80 with same lens plus another as my budget is around £2k so would like to invest wisely, so am turning to you guys for any advise you can offer to ensure i'm in the right direction as the break in play :)

Many Thanks,
Chris (Tayloss)
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Second hand EM5 Mk1? They're ridiculously good value and weatherproof. Is the 40-150 f2.8 pro lens really long enough for airshows? The Pansonic 100-400 may be a better choice.
The 12-40 f2.8 pro is a good lens but needs at least half a grip IMO.
 
Hi Guys,

Thank you so much for your replies and help, here is a little update!... I have been through this so many times, but decided to go for an Canon EOS 70D with 70-200mm f4, 10-22mm and 50mm lenses plus battery grip.

I love the olympus, but just couldn't push myself to commit to 100% Olympus at this time, although i did look at Nikon as well as Sony based on some other advise. Its a hard decision to come back into a hobby you have left a while ago, but didn't seen an advantage to going for an 80D over the 70 as I wanted to get some better glassware!

One of the things that has kind of stayed with me through-out the time I did photographer from a semi-pro level was using Canon Camera with Canon lenses, but believe that Sigma and other brands have almost matched the quality of the main brands?

I'm really looking forward to using the new camera at Bournemouth Airshow and Wings and Wheels at Dunsfold Park this year, and will see how it goes.. Don't get me wrong, I really love the OM-10 MK 1, but something didn't feel quite right to go for the OM-1!

Thanks again!

Chris
 
tayloss said:
Hi Guys,

Thank you so much for your replies and help, here is a little update!... I have been through this so many times, but decided to go for an Canon EOS 70D with 70-200mm f4, 10-22mm and 50mm lenses plus battery grip.

I love the olympus, but just couldn't push myself to commit to 100% Olympus at this time, although i did look at Nikon as well as Sony based on some other advise. Its a hard decision to come back into a hobby you have left a while ago, but didn't seen an advantage to going for an 80D over the 70 as I wanted to get some better glassware!

One of the things that has kind of stayed with me through-out the time I did photographer from a semi-pro level was using Canon Camera with Canon lenses, but believe that Sigma and other brands have almost matched the quality of the main brands?

I'm really looking forward to using the new camera at Bournemouth Airshow and Wings and Wheels at Dunsfold Park this year, and will see how it goes.. Don't get me wrong, I really love the OM-10 MK 1, but something didn't feel quite right to go for the OM-1!

Thanks again!

Chris
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I still believe that most of the time main brand (Canon and Nikon) are better than third party, but there are exceptions like the new Sigma Art lenses that are coming out. Also, with regards to the main brand lenses that are better they are often much more expensive, sometimes not worth the extra cost for some.
 
Even pre Art Sigma lenses were sometimes the best at their focal length and/or price point.

The non Art 50 and 85mm f1.4's come to mind and the 12-24mm and the various macro lenses, all very good and arguably better than their Canikon equivalents.
 
woof woof said:
Even pre Art Sigma lenses were sometimes the best at their focal length and/or price point.

The non Art 50 and 85mm f1.4's come to mind and the 12-24mm and the various macro lenses, all very good and arguably better than their Canikon equivalents.
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That's why I said there are exceptions :p The Sigma 85mm is one of my favourites in terms of 'the look'
 
woof woof said:
A few years ago the Canon 5D was as good as DSLR's got image quality wise but these days the latest Micro Four Thirds cameras (arguably, probably) beat it for image quality.

If we stop obsessing maybe that's good enough for many people and many uses.
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The 5d was 11 years ago. Even from the mk2 FF camera IQ has progressed significantly (comparing my 6d to a 5d2) and is not comparable to the 5d mk1, it's another league.

Just for parity.
 
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snerkler said:
I still believe that most of the time main brand (Canon and Nikon) are better than third party, but there are exceptions like the new Sigma Art lenses that are coming out. Also, with regards to the main brand lenses that are better they are often much more expensive, sometimes not worth the extra cost for some.
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Sigma are beating both Canon and Nikon IMO presently.

Their Art lenses are easily as good as Canikon's best L lenses (and whatever Nikon's version of that is) and their 150-600mm lenses (both sport and contemp) are a revelation.

Then add the dock which tweaks lenses in such a way as I've not seen before and they're ahead of the game. How come Canon or Nikon didn't think of this simple, yet effective accessory?
 
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Then add the dock which tweaks lenses in such a way as I've not seen before and they're ahead of the game. How come Canon or Nikon didn't think of this simple, yet effective accessory?
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Yep, I think they're missing a trick with this tbh. I would imagine it would be very hard to make it backwards compatible though so would only be for new lenses, but no reason they can't do this for the future. Also, it baffles me why Nikon only allow one fine tune setting compared to Canon who have a setting for the wide end and long end of zooms I believe.
 
odd jim said:
The 5d was 11 years ago. Even from the mk2 FF camera IQ has progressed significantly (comparing my 6d to a 5d2) and is not comparable to the 5d mk1, it's another league.

Just for parity.
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I'm just making the point. The 5D was the SOTA and was used by many pros and enthusiasts and those who still have them will still be taking lovely pictures with them. Yes cameras are better today and even MFT cameras are arguably better than the 5D but how many people honestly need all that betterness? Unless it's a pixel peeping willy waving thing which lets be honest it often is.

Actually if you cared about image quality above all else why are you a Canon shooter? :D Only kidding, but maybe you get my point, even though Canon are behind the curve these days they good enough for most people most of the time.

Personally I think that the quality argument is getting a bit redundant, for most people most of the time.
 
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I'm just making the point. The 5D was the SOTA and was used by many pros and enthusiasts and those who still have them will still be taking lovely pictures with them. Yes cameras are better today and even MFT cameras are arguably better than the 5D but how many people honestly need all that betterness? Unless it's a pixel peeping willy waving thing which lets be honest it often is.

Actually if you cared about image quality above all else why are you a Canon shooter? :D Only kidding, but maybe you get my point, even though Canon are behind the curve these days they good enough for most people most of the time.

Personally I think that the quality argument is getting a bit redundant, for most people most of the time.
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Who said I cared about image quality "above all else?"

If I did I'd shoot a Hasselblad H5d ;)

(I also shoot Sony and Fuji FYI, but my go to fave camera is the 6d).
 
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woof woof said:
A few years ago the Canon 5D was as good as DSLR's got image quality wise but these days the latest Micro Four Thirds cameras (arguably, probably) beat it for image quality.

If we stop obsessing maybe that's good enough for many people and many uses.
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Yep most modern and not so modern cameras are more than good enough for most folk in terms of IQ. We (including myself) do get a bit bogged down with spec and forget that older cameras still give great image quality. On the flip side we shouldn't ignore improvements either. For example the high DR of my camera has meant that I rarely have to bracket exposure anymore, and having pretty clean images at 12800 ISO is nice ;)
 
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