3D rotate help of an old cap badge on a photo (update)

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I am trying to identify a cap badge on an old photo from WW2 here below is the best i can do can someone do an AI 3D rotate to give me a fighting chance of it flat on.

long shot but i know there are some SW experts on here.

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Box Brownie said:
Working only on the basis that the badge is (maple?) leaf shaped, I found the Canadian cap badge looks very close to the one show in the picture...though the leaf points don't quite 'match' but possibly a starting point to work out which badge variant yours has???


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sk66 said:
I applied a perspective warp to it and it looks like you would expect it to. There just isn't enough detail, and any detail AI adds won't be true/accurate.
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ChrisH said:

Badge gallery - Canada.ca

Badges worn by the Canadian Forces.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca

Looks like it could be one of these. The badge surround looks like these spikes surrounds rather than leaves.
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Thanks guys it shouldn't be Maple as he was in the Army in the RA then got "loaned" out to the Navy as an AA gunner on destroyers and spent his way down in the med/north africa and later on in the atlantic so it should be army but i am damned if i can match it.
 
Mr Bump said:
Thanks guys it shouldn't be Maple as he was in the Army in the RA then got "loaned" out to the Navy as an AA gunner on destroyers and spent his way down in the med/north africa and later on in the atlantic so it should be army but i am damned if i can match it.
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With the backstory I would think it is possible that the IWM might have some insight. He could not have been the only RA personnel that was loaned out to the RN.

I surmise that you know his name and if you have any other details e.g. his service number it might be possible to trace his service record and thus throw some light on the cap badge???

PS my dad was in the RA as a Bren Gunner, he was captured when Crete fell and spent much of the war as a PoW. AFAIK mostly in camps in the Balkans.
 
Box Brownie said:
With the backstory I would think it is possible that the IWM might have some insight. He could not have been the only RA personnel that was loaned out to the RN.

I surmise that you know his name and if you have any other details e.g. his service number it might be possible to trace his service record and thus throw some light on the cap badge???

PS my dad was in the RA as a Bren Gunner, he was captured when Crete fell and spent much of the war as a PoW. AFAIK mostly in camps in the Balkans.
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oh for sure he was Leslie James Foster born 1913 in Mirfield, West Yorkshire
he was my (Step) grandad he died in 1995 leaving very little information i am digging deep
i have ordered a death cert so i can request his MOD records
 
Foster, Leslie James Service Number 3604504
Type Of Medal 1939-45; Atlantic; Italy
Rank W/Bombardier
Regiment 1st Regt Maritime R. A.
Discharge Date 12 Feb 1946
Reference Number WO 460/190
Conflict Period World War II
Served For United Kingdom
 
Mr Bump said:
oh for sure he was Leslie James Foster born 1913 in Mirfield, West Yorkshire
he was my (Step) grandad he died in 1995 leaving very little information i am digging deep
i have ordered a death cert so i can request his MOD records
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Mr Bump said:
Foster, Leslie James Service Number 3604504
Type Of Medal 1939-45; Atlantic; Italy
Rank W/Bombardier
Regiment 1st Regt Maritime R. A.
Discharge Date 12 Feb 1946
Reference Number WO 460/190
Conflict Period World War II
Served For United Kingdom
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Interesting history about that Regiment in regard to that they were assigned to Defensively Equipped Merchant Ships (DEMS).

As far as I can find, for now, their cap badge was the standard RA one though it seems they likely had uniform patch badge with an anchor in the design?
 
Box Brownie said:
Interesting history about that Regiment in regard to that they were assigned to Defensively Equipped Merchant Ships (DEMS).

As far as I can find, for now, their cap badge was the standard RA one though it seems they likely had uniform patch badge with an anchor in the design?
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yes that's what i have thought , but according to one of the last surviving relatives he was on destroyers so its all a bit odd
hopefully i will get the copy death cert soon and i will apply to the MOD for his records
 
Mr Bump said:
yes that's what i have thought , but according to one of the last surviving relatives he was on destroyers so its all a bit odd
hopefully i will get the copy death cert soon and i will apply to the MOD for his records
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The nature of older memories is that facts can get blurred and he may well have been on a destroyer at some point for whatever reason.

All being well, sight of his military record will throw some more light on his service activities.

At a tangent in that regard, I learned from my dad that he was repatriated (with a group of other freed PoWs ) in the bomb bay of a Lancaster bomber. If they had come through the 'filter of relatives of his generation story recall' I am unsure how it would have been "remembered"?
 
Box Brownie said:
The nature of older memories is that facts can get blurred and he may well have been on a destroyer at some point for whatever reason.

All being well, sight of his military record will throw some more light on his service activities.

At a tangent in that regard, I learned from my dad that he was repatriated (with a group of other freed PoWs ) in the bomb bay of a Lancaster bomber. If they had come through the 'filter of relatives of his generation story recall' I am unsure how it would have been "remembered"?
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As for your dad, some POW's were repatriated via the bomb bay of Lancasters

The authority for this is "Lancaster, the second world war's greatest bomber" by Leo McKinstry. I remember reading about it so looked it up again, see below:
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Garry Edwards said:
As for your dad, some POW's were repatriated via the bomb bay of Lancasters

The authority for this is "Lancaster, the second world war's greatest bomber" by Leo McKinstry. I remember reading about it so looked it up again, see below:
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Thanks for that page copy (y)

In regard to Italy being mentioned, as far as I am aware he was held in IIRC 2 camps both of which were in the Balkans (Yugoslavia) so repatriation via air from Italy sort of makes geographic sense. He shared little about his war experiences.......in that amongst the stories most had touches of humour.

Another had insights into the way that Roma & Russian prisoners were treated by the Germans guarding that section of the camp :(

Also, some "daring do" that meant my dad learnt some Serbo-Croat language.......and I, as a result, can still count to 5 in that language....it used to be up to 10 but age has eroded my recall.

PS looking up about Operation Dodge to see if there are any records of the passengers?
 
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I only posted that because I'm an avid reader and had a vague memory of that short passage in the book, that's all I know.

When I was a teenager I had a boss who once mentioned that he had been a tailgunner in a Lancaster, he said that the worst things about it were the freezing cold and the very dangerous landings, often with a damaged aircraft, far worse than being shot at. I remember asking him whether he was worried about being captured, because he was jewish, he said that they didn't even know about the German attitude towards jews and anyway, there wasn't much chance of a tailgunner surviving if the plane had to be abandoned . . . That generation is now gone and this history is now all but forgotten, which is a great shame.

Incidentally, and from the same book, some Lancasters were modified to carry and parachute lifeboats at the end of the war, basically they were trying to find a use for the remaining planes.

Good luck with your search, but my understanding is that a lot of these old records haven't been digitised, and people have to physically go to the records office at Kew to search.
 
Garry Edwards said:
I remember asking him whether he was worried about being captured, because he was jewish,
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This is a small coincidence, as I very recently found some confirmation of childhood memories about my father's wartime unpleasantness.

I now know for certain that my father, a member of the second battalion of the Buffs (Royal East Kent Regiment), was captured in Italy during late 1943. He was sent to Stalag VA Ludwigsburg in the south of Germany. I don't know what then happened. However, whether or not the Germans found out he was Jewish, he returned to the UK after the German surrender, allegedly in very poor condition.

Interestingly. he was well enough to marry my mother in September 1945 so he must have recovered quickly enough, which didn't stop him dying in his early 40s. :(
 
Well update had it confirmed by the MOD today Les joined the Border Regiment in 1941 and that cap badge is below...

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Thanks for the update.

I abhor a mystery and I am pleased for you that you have had a resolution:)
 
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