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I suspect that I already know the answer to this but I’ll ask the question anyway.

Is there anyone on here who makes their prints solely using traditional darkroom processes.( standard wetprinting / alternative processing) ?

That’s to say that they never digitize / scan their negs to obtain a print !
 
It surely isn't just you Asha?


To be fair Lindsay, I have a number of prints from scanned negs as my darkroom adventure only really started a couple of years back.

I am however seriously considering dedicating all my printing to traditional darkroom processes.

For the moment there are all the benefits and drawbacks to consider hence my curiosity to see if there are others who have already committed to just the one option.

I know out here, particularly in the Paris region, there are a number of togs who practice alternative process , that process being all they practice.

Similarly there are many other togs who shoot 13x18cm) ( 5x7 to you lot lol) and / or 10x8 , then make straight contact prints.
 
I am just beginning the B&W darkroom process, haven't actually got it set up yet as I'm waiting for the electrician to finish making sure the house rewire covers off the questionable sockets in the basement. But I have the trays, chems, paper and enlarger so I am set to go.

I don't see me ever just doing one or the other but then again I also said I could never see me setting up a darkroom :p

My initial plan might be be to enlarge the 35mm and 120 and contact print the half plate. Then scan the images just to see what the differences are and maybe what I have missed in the enlarging phase that I could go back and improve. I might find I just don't have time to do that and just see what happens.

Some of the alternative processes are fascinating but I need to stay focused on the basics to start with.
 
Yes, I do. Only B&W these days. Scan a few for web use, but always in addition to wet printing…mostly as I’m too lazy to get my flatbed set up!
 
I wet print (35mm, 120 and 4x5) but am not averse to scanning but I don't make prints from scans.

I do however often send my b&w 35mm family/holiday pics off for dev and 6" x 4" printing to Harman Lab. I wouldn't have the patience, or the time to print 38ish frames (yes I could contact print and choose the best but I like having the whole film printed). Anything that I particularly like I can then wet print at my required size.

As for printing everything from my half frame (35mm) cameras, not a chance. I got 91 frames once from my Agat 18k, how long would it take me to print all them?!
 
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Is there anyone on here who makes their prints solely using traditional darkroom processes.( standard wetprinting / alternative processing) ?

That’s to say that they never digitize / scan their negs to obtain a print !

I think @joxby may be one...
 
My darkroom printing is rather infrequent .... but I don't do any inkjet printing either so I can in theory claim to do all my printing in the darkroom.
:plus1:, wiith darkroom printing only on dark nights like this time of year. I find it quite difficult to get the print I want in the darkroom, although it gets better with practice over a few nights. My biggest problem is that I don't have the skill to tweak a darkroom print in the same way as a digital file, since the digital file can be played with, duplicated and minor adjustments made over a period of time. The ability to come back another time and view these minor adjustments side by side is useful, in the same way that I used to make 2 or 3 prints and put them on a pinboard in the kitchen for a week until I decided which version I preferred.

The other big factor is what you intend to do with the prints, since I'd need to have an end use in sight before printing. This applies to all types of photography though, not just wet printing. I have a folder for probable darkroom prints and one for other prints on the computer, but they're both pretty empty.

I wouldn't want this to sound negative though, so here's a contact print of a wholeplate negative I made at the weekend. :)

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The logistics of setting up a darkroom again and finding storage for potentially thousands of images outweigh any benefits to me.
That said, I shoot exclusively slide film so I have no real reason to print, not that I have found anywhere that sells Cibachrome materials.
 
To be fair Lindsay, I have a number of prints from scanned negs as my darkroom adventure only really started a couple of years back.

I am however seriously considering dedicating all my printing to traditional darkroom processes.

For the moment there are all the benefits and drawbacks to consider hence my curiosity to see if there are others who have already committed to just the one option.

I know out here, particularly in the Paris region, there are a number of togs who practice alternative process , that process being all they practice.

Similarly there are many other togs who shoot 13x18cm) ( 5x7 to you lot lol) and / or 10x8 , then make straight contact prints.
I have considered making inkjets from slide, only because the process to print them chemically no longer exists, it sticks in my throat a bit but it seems like a shame not to.
Only considered mind...:)
I think the benefits and drawbacks that are of any consequence are time related, so personal circumstance will have an influence on commitment levels.
Doesn't really effect me, I have no time for anything so that's that factor eliminated..lol
I don't feel restricted by the commitment DR only because the clue to creating what I want is in the name "darkroom print"
It also helps that scanning is such an abysmal chore, I can relegate it to a digital snap for web purposes.

I don't feel like I have much skin in the game atm, haven't had a DR since moving house 18 months ago, still shooting and those negs are piling up but I have to finish rebuilding the house before I start on the DR.....which is a proper drag, I could scan but...................naaah, not interested..:)
 
I have considered making inkjets from slide, only because the process to print them chemically no longer exists, it sticks in my throat a bit but it seems like a shame not to.
Only considered mind...:)
I think the benefits and drawbacks that are of any consequence are time related, so personal circumstance will have an influence on commitment levels.
Doesn't really effect me, I have no time for anything so that's that factor eliminated..lol
I don't feel restricted by the commitment DR only because the clue to creating what I want is in the name "darkroom print"
It also helps that scanning is such an abysmal chore, I can relegate it to a digital snap for web purposes.

I don't feel like I have much skin in the game atm, haven't had a DR since moving house 18 months ago, still shooting and those negs are piling up but I have to finish rebuilding the house before I start on the DR.....which is a proper drag, I could scan but...................naaah, not interested..:)
Hold out for your new darkroom John, it’ll be worth it and of course you already know that;)

Time commitment is no issue for me really.
I could spend all day in the darkroom if I wanted ( health depending) , in fact I have seen myself in there for several hours at a time already.

For me it’s not just the laborious task of scanning ( although with LF it’s not so bad as not too many negs to deal with) ), it’s also the whole computer thing.

From a personal note, I spend too much time infront of screens as it is, if not computers then my fone which of course is a mini computer.

Then there is tv !!

Personally I find it all too much.

The last10 - 15 years has seen me increasingly sucked into modern tech and all the digi , pixelated ‘benefits ( like many of us I suspect) but tbh I feel that it really isn’t for me.

I flogged my digi camera kit and have NEVER regretted it.

LF took over to the point of being my only format .
The whole process of exposong film to obtain a negative from LF is artisanal / traditional ( I even meter with an analogue meter most of the time).
I’ve even recently acquired a tlr but one as close to the specs of a field camera as possible, so no electrics, no meter etc

So why do I then change all that by transforming what is essentially artisanal into a high tech digi file ?

Because I can get a darned good print? Yes it’s true that I can!

But do I enjoy the process…..No, not at all!

Can i get the same quality of print in the DR?….atm often not , hence my serious consideration to concentrate exclusively on improving my skills.

Contrary to some beliefs, I wouldnt say that a wet print doesn't have the same quality as an inkjet version…..They have different qualities and the good wetprints that i have are pretty good , certainly good enough for me.

The less good ones need to be redone by a more competent DR user.
That person could be me but not if i continue to sit playing with a mouse and curves!

100% darkroom is very tempting especially as I now have a dedicated room for the purpose.
 
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Well, I think making LF form the lions share of your output is as big a commitment to make as analogue only printing tbh.
Different things I know but the ideology is the same, it matters to you how things are made and what is used to make them.
This renders the quality of inkjet vs DR prints irrelevant, its a bit reductionist but how else are you to avoid the distraction of a process you don't even want to use...lol
I'm happy in the knowledge that I won't ever be Fred Picker but I still choose to spend my time doing what I like rather than indulging a necessary evil.
Its not that I don't do computing, its the way of the World, I just don't get any kind of satisfaction, no sense of achievement out of pushing pixels about with a plastic switch and delegating the printing to a paint spraying robot.:)
 
A contact print of a 2011 5x7 neg on 8x10 paper earlier in the week. The border is just too big for me, but a bit of cropping might make it better. It's a Shanghai neg in ID11 at the time.

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A contact print of a 2011 5x7 neg on 8x10 paper earlier in the week. The border is just too big for me, but a bit of cropping might make it better. It's a Shanghai neg in ID11 at the time.

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Tbh I quite like the large border.

It’s pretty much what I am aiming for when I mat board my prints
 

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Tbh I quite like the large border.

It’s pretty much what I am aiming for when I mat board my prints
I think mine suffers from being a sheet of glossy paper, while your one works better for sitting slightly proud on a non-glossy card. It's a good look.
 
I think mine suffers from being a sheet of glossy paper, while your one works better for sitting slightly proud on a non-glossy card. It's a good look.

I’ve only yet done a handful of prints like that so far, most 10x8 though a couple of 12x16.

There are all the specialist cutters and gadgets out there but atm , other than a designated alu ruler with finger guard, I’m using no more than a Stanley knife and managing just fine.

Patience and taking time is the key ;)
 
Whilst I do scan and print via inkjet quite a lot of the time, nothing beats the experience of seeing a print 'come up' in the developing dish.
It's and addiction I don't want to give up.
 
I've been thinking about the neg pile up, not for the first time tbh.
I made a list a couple of years ago of negs "worthy" of a printing effort, which on the face of it, now seems a little ambitious.
I mean, I could fly them off and tick list completed, but I'm not going to be picky enough to learn a lot.
The trouble with printing is you are constantly learning, I find myself going back to prints from not very long ago and thinking I need to give that another go employing the techniques and things I've learned since I first did the print.
This is fine but it does mean you do not need very much raw material at all to keep you busied up with printing for yonks.
I will have to brutally cull, The Darkroom is......The Hotel California.. :hungover:
 
I've been thinking about the neg pile up, not for the first time tbh.
I made a list a couple of years ago of negs "worthy" of a printing effort, which on the face of it, now seems a little ambitious.
I mean, I could fly them off and tick list completed, but I'm not going to be picky enough to learn a lot.
The trouble with printing is you are constantly learning, I find myself going back to prints from not very long ago and thinking I need to give that another go employing the techniques and things I've learned since I first did the print.
This is fine but it does mean you do not need very much raw material at all to keep you busied up with printing for yonks.
I will have to brutally cull, The Darkroom is......The Hotel California.. :hungover:

Even as a scan and inkjet printer, I can relate to this. I have a folder with 80-100 scanned 5x4 images that I've selected for further work and printing that are as yet unprinted. Plus a scanning backlog.
 
I can't recall if this has been mentioned previously, but the new email from Ilford reminds me that there are still a number of Silver Tickets unclaimed from boxes of Ilford paper. Details at the link. (only 8 of the 33 tickets claimed, so 25 still out there!) https://www.ilfordphoto.com/community/competitions/silverticket/?utm_campaign=13105173_In Focus - Content round up and Student Competition Winners&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Harman Technology Ltd&dm_i=2IQ,7SW0L,3DV4NF,VTVZ7,1
Upon reading this I was about to rip open my new box of ilford paper , then I noticed that the tickets are only to be found in subminiature formats.

A little disappointing really to think that one spends more money on their larger formats but don’t get invited to join in the fun with such purchases :confused:

I’m now going to sulk, i reserve the right to do so :dummy::LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
Upon reading this I was about to rip open my new box of ilford paper , then I noticed that the tickets are only to be found in subminiature formats.

A little disappointing really to think that one spends more money on their larger formats but don’t get invited to join in the fun with such purchases :confused:

I’m now going to sulk, i reserve the right to do so :dummy::LOL::LOL::LOL:
Ah well Asha, here's a few minutes of LF loveliness to partly make up for your disappointment. (y)

 
Ah well Asha, here's a few minutes of LF loveliness to partly make up for your disappointment. (y)

“You dont need that instant feedback anymore, you know when you have the shot”

Wonderful, simply wonderful and quite moving …..…thank you Peter, I really enjoyed watching that not least of all because I related so well to what she had to say.
 
So seeing as I’m already in my own thread and it relates to darkroom processes, I have a question.
Let me explain.

I know when film is fogged , and I know how it can become fogged, however what I am unsure of is if there are distinct differences in the resulting negative between film that has fogged prior to exposure in camera and film that has fogged after being exposed in camera.


I have two negs ( that I’ve played around with in the darkroom this evening) that are seriously fogged ( and unprintable) and I am trying to figure wether I screwed up somewhere during the loading of darkslides for example, or during development.

Something tells me that I’m not going to have an easy time figuring out which stage went bottoms up and ruined my shots not that I can do anything about it….. not even a reshoot is possible this time:(
 
Serious fogging plus unprintable suggests an image. Is the fogging localised or general? I know that flashing before exposure (stop sniggering at the back) can lift the film speed etc., but in the circumstances I don't know if the time of the fogging would have any effects that could allow pre or post to be distinguished.

I'd try to get ideas from any pattern of fogging.
 
Serious fogging plus unprintable suggests an image. Is the fogging localised or general? I know that flashing before exposure (stop sniggering at the back) can lift the film speed etc., but in the circumstances I don't know if the time of the fogging would have any effects that could allow pre or post to be distinguished.

I'd try to get ideas from any pattern of fogging.
Yes there is an image which looks to be correctly exposed .

I got it to register on a test strip of paper but it took three full minutes of exposure from the enlarger light source to obtain that!!!

The fogging covers the whole negative ( in both cases) , equally dense from top to bottom and side to side .

I wondering if the deving tank wasn’t correctly closed .
Generally I soup my negs individually which would negate this suspicion , but tbh I cannot recall exactly what I did.

Of course there is always the slim possibility of a dud film holder .

I say slim cos they are practically new (5x4s)
 
I knew there was very little chance of a print when I had to hold the neg just inches away from a light bulb to be able to see the image , but I was curious as to what I could obtain.

I soon found out …….. Not a lot! :LOL:
 
Try a reducer - your call as to whether a proportional one or otherwise. Alternatively, try a scan and digital negative. My guess at this point is the processing stage.
 
A bit late to the party here but yes, I have a darkroom and print B&W from 35mm, 120 and 5x4 film.

Your fogging question is interesting Asha. If the film is evenly fogged all over then I can't think of a way it could have happened while the film was in a film holder as my experience has shown that the edges of the film don't fog evenly. Chemical fogging is a rare possibility but I haven't heard of that in decades. With respect, is there the remotest possibility that they were exposed to light when you were loading the film holders?

I have made all the mistakes over the last sixty years and my latest gaffe was putting my mobile phone on the bench, forgetting about it and then deciding to load a 120 film into a spiral reel - of course someone rang me half way through and my phone lit up like a beacon. It was only a test film and the fogging through the reel strucure made for some interesting efects.
Just my thoughts.....
 
A bit late to the party here but yes, I have a darkroom and print B&W from 35mm, 120 and 5x4 film.

Your fogging question is interesting Asha. If the film is evenly fogged all over then I can't think of a way it could have happened while the film was in a film holder as my experience has shown that the edges of the film don't fog evenly. Chemical fogging is a rare possibility but I haven't heard of that in decades. With respect, is there the remotest possibility that they were exposed to light when you were loading the film holders?

I have made all the mistakes over the last sixty years and my latest gaffe was putting my mobile phone on the bench, forgetting about it and then deciding to load a 120 film into a spiral reel - of course someone rang me half way through and my phone lit up like a beacon. It was only a test film and the fogging through the reel strucure made for some interesting efects.
Just my thoughts.....

Yeah téléphones are best left outside the darkroom as are digital watches especially if you have an alarm set on it that you forget to disactivate !

Tbh I’m drawn more to an error in processing than in the film loading although of course it is possible.

I use a Paterson orbital processor for deving and I have on one occasion not had the top section securely clipped to the lower
I was very lucky to get away with no ( noticeable) fogging .
I’m thinking that perhaps I’ve done similar this time.
If so , I must have souped both sheets together but it’s sometime ago hence my inability to recall exactly what I did.

Here’s hoping the fogging didn’t happen at film holder loading stage as I will , as usual, have loaded several holders at the same time:oops: :$
 
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@Asha gaseous sulphur compounds can fog films. You had not been overindulging in the 'ail' as the dimethylsulphide can get a bit potent. :angelic:
 
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